Jahr, low to me. It sounded like it was right. It sounded like it was right. It doesn't sound like you're hitting. It sounds flat. Anyway. I recorder playing isn't getting any better. That's what's bothering me. I guess it was your breath. You needed a happier breath. I just agree. Are you supposed to brush your teeth before? Oh, I think so. You play recorder. I think you're supposed to eat peanut butter sandwich before you play the recorder. I think you're supposed to brush your recorder before you play recorder. Oh, man. That was maintaining the musical instruments in band was a thing that we were encouraged to do, but I did not do very well. I mean, I played trumpet for like a semester and seventh grade and the extent of my maintenance was just making sure the spit valve. I was like to just spew stuff out the spit valve every once in a while. That was fun. That's so gross. I mean, it was spit valve. I'm not going to get apple juice coming out of there unless it's spit. I mean, yeah, I should spit it. Trumpets were the ones that were the most obvious. The brass with the most awesome. They actually had a little valve that you and then you blew and the spit came out. I was a woodwind. I played the clarinet. So we had a valve that just ran out. You know, you know, drip, doggies. And you were supposed to get a swab. You're supposed to swab your instrument out. Yeah. I wonder, did you rent it? Was it a rental? Or did you buy it? No, I was fine. So you so somewhere there's an unswabbed clarinet. It's probably down in the house. As we speak, it's probably down in the closet. I want to see. I want to see what kind of just nastiness is in there from not swabbing it. Oh, it was. That was just the beginning of my lack of maintenance. I never had a really bad breath. I really did. I not swam. I shoved small animals in there. No, I really changed reads. And so I would have just this awful, chipped, broken read. And it would people go like, isn't that hard to play? And it's like, yeah, it's hard to play. But I would, you have to go get another read. Were you even making noise at that point? That was a broken was like, unplayable. Well, that was the big crime. I mean, it's far enough in my past now that I can talk about it. But for you lip syncing in the marching band. No, no. Here's the thing that life is not fair. And I sat first chair clarinet. Like I was the, I was first chair clarinet all the way through junior high school and high school. So I would like to say this year. Yeah. And I never maintained my instrument. My read was always all chopped up. I didn't practice very much. I just had, I just did well when it came time for tryouts. And it's not fair. I apologize to all the people who worked hard and and maintained their instruments. But that's the truth. What do you think about? You feel better? I feel better having confessed it. Yeah. What what do you, to what do you attribute your, your declining passion? Or did you ever really have passion? Or you just like, here's a thing to do. Well, I had passion in the, I, you know, I was in band all, you know, every year I never dropped out. So I enjoyed certain aspects of it. I just never, I don't know. It's the weirdest thing. I was without any sort of practice or or without any effort. I was, I was just better than the kids in that, you know, in the, in the clarinet section. And I don't, I don't know what to make of that. It was, um, it's something there was there a lot of competition for clarinet. Well, you know, there's, there's, uh, yeah, there was eight or 10 or 12, depending on the year. Other, that's, you know, clarinet. There's total amount of my high school class. Right. I went to a bigger school. Yeah. But there was, you know, there was 160 or 170 kids in our band. Do you think your, uh, band teacher cried a single tear of disappointment, you know, knowing that John Brande never reached his full potential. Oh, I mean, he did. He told me another Glenn Miller in my class. Oh, there were, there were several several fairly, uh, angry, uh, chastisements through the years for more, because our band director was the same guy all the way along. He, he scolded me several times for not applying myself. And for, you know, he goes, you, you just never work. You never practice. And you know, that's, you got these other kids, Steve. Oh, my God. Say the kids name. He goes, uh, you know, the kid in the second chair, he goes, he works a lot harder than you. And, uh, and I'm, yeah, I'm terrible. I'm terrible. I'm terrible. Guys, that guy's a jump. Well, now, what would you say to your having reached your full potential now? What would you say to your band teacher? What would I say to my band teacher? Did I, I never reached my full potential? Well, I mean, yeah, because he's disappointed by clarinet, but clearly you've, uh, you're living a life of leisure now. Oh, yeah. I'm on top of work now. Yeah. It's all come together. Eat this. I'm in my attic talking to people on the internet. I'm my attic. Take that morning. Guthrie eating pistachios. Shelling pistachios and eating them on a broadcast. No, I'm not, I'm not setting myself up as somebody who should be mimicked or, uh, be like me. Should be a role model for people. When is the last time you played clarinet? Oh, man. That is wedding. No. Did you? This is to show how much I love you. Well, that's a great question. I think the last time I played clarinet was high school. Whenever the last band concert was, that was, that was my share well performance. See, that's the thing. The guitars, uh, but keyboards, the sort of, those are the sort of instruments that you play, you know, in perpetuity. You know, you don't drown without the clarinet and play it, you know, around the campfire. Right? You know, there are, there are appropriate places for clarinet. Yeah. I get that. And that's, you know, even at church, I mean, how many, how many churches have, have a woodwind section in their worship band? Occasionally someone will play a flute. Yeah, I have seen a flute before. But that's it. And so there's just not a lot of call for the clarinet. No one was ever saying, hey, did you bring your clarinet, John? Why don't you, you know, my brother would get out his guitar and it's like you knew whip out the old clarinet and do some dixie. No, that doesn't help. That is weird. You can't just pull it out, start playing a clarinet. No, that was probably the way you were. Gosh, why can't we do VK with, I would love to see you pull out of, uh, yeah, uh, clarinet, durna, yeah, at VK. I don't think I can even play it anymore. I don't, I don't think that can be true. Surely, you know, something. You remember, you were first to your clarinet, John. Surely it's not on now. Surely you didn't lose it in a mere 45 years. What, uh, what, did you kind of, did you get any to, into the, any of the jazz stuff like, um, in the mood or was it, yep, we do play in the mood. Yeah, see, you could do that. I learned that one. I'm sure. Man, I haven't learned any big band stuff on guitar. Actually guitar players in the big band were kind of useless. They were just going, ju-ju-ju-ju-ju-ju-ju-ju-ju-ju-ju-ju-ju. So that's all we did. Let's guitar players. Yeah, the guitar players have a, have a lesser role. And don't see guitar players in the marching band. Do you? That is true. Even though you can march with a guitar. That's, yeah, where are these, where are these arbitrary rules coming from? I'm saying pull out your clarinet at the next Christmas party. I'm marched in a bunch of football games, you know, in high school, we had a, we always did a half time show for the home games. And so yeah, we would do formations and all that kind of stuff. Did I ever tell you how bad my football team was in high school? Couldn't have been worse than ours, but how bad? Well, first of all, it was our band one more stuff than our football team. So they were a little bit slightly cooler than, well, they had more trophies than we did in the cases. That was one thing. And the second thing was the day that I knew gosh, I'd been playing football. I was probably like a 10th grader. And after like the fourth or fifth game away game that we had every away game we played was the other schools homecoming. Everyone. So like after like, yes, after like the fourth game or fifth game away game. And they're having a parade. I'm like, man, there's a, all these schools are having parades when we, are we doing home come? All these schools? We're the homecoming team. Where the, what was the, what was the home? Trauters? The general? Yeah, we were the, we were the general of Florida football. They were just you were the, you guys, you guys had a very busy season. Everybody wanted to play. You the coaches, the coaches, the coaches, bringing off the hook and they're like, no, we can't play. We got four other schools that want to play as that weekend. We can't play. We only play one game a week. I thought you guys on Friday, you guys on Saturday, it's not like I'm going to play any better. So that was, yeah. So while you were, you know, doing your show at halftime, I was probably getting lecture by my co, yell that by my coach. What position did you play, John? I was the center. I I hiked the ball. Real. Offensive line. Yeah. That's super important. Yeah. And a small Christian school, uh, when you're fat, there's really only a couple of positions that you can play. They're it's defensive line or offensive line. The pickens is slim. We got the boys on. Yeah. I did get to play. What was funny was, uh, I didn't know what it meant to varsity. I didn't know it could get a varsity letter or letter. I don't want to meant to letter because then you just, when you played at our school, if you made the football team here, if you were playing, that was you got a letter. Yeah, you got a letter. Ben there. Yeah, that was Luke's story too. Yep. Yeah. Where? Uh, it didn't just go into a small school if you want to participate in the sports. If you want to win the sports, it's a different thing. But if you just want to participate. Well, we were playing other small schools. Oh, that's a good occasionally win. So I don't remember much about your, uh, athletic career. Were you guys a formidable team? Did you guys win? We did win the championship in basketball one year. Yeah. Uh, we dominated the first and only year of softball that they did. Um, you guys have a soccer team too that was. We had a soccer team that was pretty good. But for whatever reason, the other Christian schools were also very good at soccer. So they were usually pretty good games. Do you have to have a large pool of talent to put together a good soccer team though? No, you just have to put all of the grades on one team. Well, I feel like all you need is one guy that can score and the rest of the kids can run. You should do pretty good. Uh, they have. But you need a goalkeeper. Do you have a really good goalkeeper? You can get buy with a lot. Yeah. Okay. That's awesome. But it takes, but one guy really can't, can't do it by himself. You need to have, there needs to be at least one other person who can handle the ball and get it to the guy who can score. And that's sometimes challenging if the other team has, you know, like Luke says, has, has any defensive players that are half of the decent. It's a challenge. Uh, soccer is, soccer is sometimes tough to watch because it doesn't, there's not a lot of scoring in soccer. Well, yeah, there you go. Because that's, yeah, that's the thing. You just not, not a lot. I guess it depends on if your team, the, uh, what is it? Just sparety and talent on the teams. It might be a lot of scoring, but right. Yeah, right. Things were completely lopsided. But if both teams are fairly equally matched and they're both playing good soccer, yeah, the score is zero zero quite a bit. It's so funny when like, uh, I, because I have the soccer dads at the church and hey, how'd you always do this weekend? Like, man, they got trouts. It was two to nothing. Yeah. Oh, I got destroyed. Yeah. That was a thing. Wow, two. They mocked the floor with us. It's two to one. Yeah. Well, it was two to one, but it was like 20 shots to two shots or whatever. It could feel like shots on goal. Yeah. But it was always got a one half of the field. The goal is got a black eye and one arm has been dislocated. That's the thing is that people think football is super physical soccer. I mean, you're running full speed and crashing into people sometimes are going up for headers and bouncing off domes. Yeah. Yeah. Or those soccer fresh your body. That's soccer lingo because I'm unsure exactly what you meant. I'm not familiar with the terminology. Yeah. You bang heads and bodies and soccer without pads. So the thing is that I've seen is when you get bumped into, you're supposed to flail your arms and fall down and grab your knee. You are. Yeah. Any sort of contact and soccer, somebody should fall to the ground. A lot of times, both will fall to the ground and then the rough has to figure out. Yeah. It was an infraction. Some great sport that minors in drama. You get your letter and you get a minor in drama. You get a theater. You get a theater pen. Yeah. Very true. A lot of times if you get jubed, I mean, if someone takes the ball away from you, you just fling yourself to the ground and you can get a whistle. You know, the Super Bowl is just recently passed. So I wanted to ask you guys, the question that it doesn't everybody's mind. The question that's on everybody's here is or on everybody's mind is which halftime show did you watch? Second year, I like this is the teams. Yeah, we don't really care about strategy and what won and who had the better defense and stuff. I don't care about that. I just want to know which halftime show. That was the real competition this year. It was which halftime show was going to win out. I got home. There's two observations I have one is I got home late from youth group. So it was halfway through the actual Super Bowl halftime show. And I was actually kind of astounded at the production. I thought, I don't know how anybody could like look at it go, man, it sucked because it's objectively it was a spectacle, which is what it's supposed to be. But it was it was pretty astounding. But I don't understand why why the conservatives keep going after Kid Rock. I don't understand. I don't I haven't listened to him. I don't even when he came out, I went, oh, okay, it's this guy. He's gonna, you know, he wears a wife beat her t-shirt and he and he pretends like he lives in a trailer park, but there's no way he's just he's got millions of dollars. There's no way he's still living in a trailer park now. So he's I guess he's like the common man or whatever, but he's just right. I don't know. Surely we I'm just thinking that maybe there's some other musical artists that conservatives can adopt that doesn't personify it. Well, my name is Earl basically. Who would that be? I don't know. I mean, there were some Christian artists that were going to be involved and they backed out. And I think it was because because Chris Rock of Chris Rock, I'd be like, wow, that's interesting that they got Chris. I think I got Chris Rock for the halftime show. The pro-America halftime show. That would have added some diversity. That's true. I don't see. Was there anybody besides Chris? You got me doing it now. Kid Rock that did the TPUSA one. I've always done that. I've always said Chris Rock first. Kid Rock. Kid Rock. I don't know why, but I. There was a brand new Gilbert. Okay. So it was a country. It was all country. Do you think there are actually conservative musical artists that were like, there's no way I'm appearing on that because no one will book me anywhere after this. So it's really, you know, fairly large names in the country music sphere. Some of the song choices weren't what I would have hoped for. But it was kind of subdued in places. And it kind of, it seemed small to me. One of the songs was I belong to the drinking class. And I'm just like, okay, that's the song we're going to go with. And then Kid Rock came out as old Kid Rock from the 90s, with the ball, with a ball. And then he came out under his real name looking completely different. And then saying what was actually a great song. And then did a little gospel message in the middle of it. So I liked that part. I thought I was fine with that. That's another thing. So, yeah, I did read a quote where he was doing gospel. But like did he do his original song? Because look, one was about one of his songs was like, this is like girls and topless girls. So what are we doing here? Yeah. Now if you listen to his old stuff, it is not anywhere near Christian genre. And this is more of the questions that don't have any answers. The midnight glances and topless dancers, the gander freaks, cars packed with speakers, the Gs with the forties. I can only imagine what that is. And chicks with beepers. Right. Right. Well, see there you go. The Northern Lights and Southern comfort. And it don't even matter if their veins are punctured. All the crackheads, the critics, the cynics and all the heroes and the methadone clinics, all you B words at the IRS for the cricket cops and the cluttered desks. But does he still do that? That's what you said he opened with that song, right? Or did he skip that verse? No, he did a quick sample of, oh, he just went. You can't understand it. I don't know why that was even there. Oh, there is then just, I don't know why that was even there. If he's truly this new kid rock and it's not fair for us necessarily to hold him to the old stuff, then he should stop doing the old stuff completely. I think it's kind of like, hey, you know me, I'm from this song. But I don't do that anymore. I'll do this. Right. It's confusing because there are people who convert to Christianity after establishing a fairly non-Christian persona in the world. And that's the whole theology, right? That you become into a creation. You become so powerful. I'm saying that that is that's certainly possible. But I don't know. I'm really reluctant. I'm slow to say, oh, yeah, so-and-so has become a Christian now and they're new because it's hard to tell the trustworthy and you should listen to everything they say. And then they've got this background, you know, and there's a, like Luke is saying, that you want to be, they do some of this old stuff, but why when you're deliberately trying to connect back to that old persona and then to go forward and say, but I'm not that guy anymore, it just is confusing because- I'll answer that. But I have to point out that a kid rock's first album was called Gritz Sandwiches for breakfast. It sounds like if I asked Luke, what do you think we do in the south and he'd say, he'd eat Gritz Sandwiches for breakfast. So let's not forget- It was just a royal penis. Oh, it got no, okay, nevermind, it didn't get any awards. His third album was called Early Morning Stone D'Pimp. Yeah, kid rock was- oh, wait, this was called Rock and Roll Early 2000. Yeah, this was called Rock and Roll Jesus. Maybe I should check that one out. That's probably got a lot of gospel. We never know. 2007. Yeah, that still probably wasn't very Christian. Yeah. So are you, but are you saying he had a conversion experience at someone? So I'm one of the entire internet right in front of me. Yeah. Oh, it's like- I'm saying that he's been vocal and publicly saying things that are good theology. And so- Well, he witnessed to Joe Rogan, didn't he? Didn't he tell Joe Rogan to- He did. Believe in Jesus. Right, and so all of that goes into the context and that's what makes it- I can't say it's not legit. I can't say he's not a Christian, but I'm also- I just don't- I don't trust celebrities, you know, I just- I don't- I'm at the Kanye. Well, I'm just a one in a long string of- Right. Say there's like this middle-aged heroin addict that comes your church and he's like, man, this weekend, I just- Jesus saved me and I'm totally clean and I just- I really love God. And you're going to be like, great, man, can you teach our three-year-old Sunday school classic? No, you're going to- What you're the nursery? You'll be like, no, you'll be like, that's fantastic. Please sit here and learn more. Please come and keep coming to church and come to our small groups and- Right. Learn more, read more of the Bible. Tell me what- yeah, that kind of stuff. Yeah. Right. But with- But if you're celebrity and you're a heroin addict and you get saved, then we invite you to- invite you to preach at the church the next Sunday. The next week, right. And that, yeah. So I actually feel bad like for when- was it Chris Pratt? I'm trying to remember which one got saved first and everybody was like clamoring form and I was like leave them alone, let them just let them learn. You're like, you wouldn't let a baby drive a car. So why would you? Why are you asking these- these brand new Christians that, you know, dictate theology for you? Right. Well, there's also just because a person is a musician or an actor or an athlete, it doesn't necessarily follow that they're going to be able to teach theology or express theology because that's an entirely different skill set. And- Yeah. But that's what's expected, you know, when you come- if you profess a faith in Christ, well, it's like stand up and testify and it's like not everybody- I don't- I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Well, that's the other thing too is- so celebrities are celebrities because they like the microphone. I just want to see one celebrity go, no, just that's okay. But like, you know, I can't blame Kat Von B because everybody was shoving a microphone on her face, but she did quite a few podcasts after she got saved. I just want somebody to- Hey, tell us about your conversion experience. I'm like, well, give me a couple months. I'm going to take some time off. To be fair, I haven't heard that name in months. No. No. Either she's not in my algorithm or she has kind of- That's your new song. She's stated back into the- which is what's supposed to happen. And it's hard. It's really difficult to give up a platform. Because there's- Okay. There's particularly when you're in the business of being famous at some level, when notoriety is required for what you do. And I'm speaking from somebody who's certainly not a household name. You were first-chair clarinet, though. But I was first-chair clarinet for six years. So I know a thing or two about fame and success. But it's difficult when other people in the- in the same industry continue to build that platform. And you do not. It requires- I think it's grace. I think that God has to step in and take away your- whatever, envy, jealousy, disappointment, that things are slowing down or- the opportunities are not coming your way. And there's a- it's really easy to be discouraged because- because you don't have a movie deal or you're not selling out, you know, arenas and you're not getting phone calls. It's really- it's easy to be disappointed and feel like you're not succeeding. And the bigger the platform and the longer you've had that platform, I think the harder it is when it starts to unravel and it always starts to unravel. You just- you cannot stay- you can't stay at the top of a heap. Yeah, every empire falls. Okay, so when I tried to look at Kid Rock's actual salvation story, the only thing I could actually find, what most of the returns were about? Kid Rock shares the gospel at the TPUSA event or Kid Rock changed the verse to this, or he- but then the only thing that I saw was this- apparently yeah, he was on the- the Joe Rogan experience and here's what the thing is, see, Rogan pressed him directly. Do you think there is a real Jesus, which is a funny question? Kid Rock answered without hesitation, absolutely 1000%. Rogan followed up, what makes you convinced Kid Rock kept it simple? My faith. So Joe Rogan paused on it and that is a good answer. The moment went viral for its raw honesty and I can't tell you- personally- and I- and if I meet Kid Rock and we- and he tells me this story, I'll- I'll apologize, but what always makes me laugh is when- especially this is almost every time in celebrity interviews and they won't tell you- wait, we- I did a bit on here about that, right? Hmm. I'm sure I remember- I need to pull it up. But it's like- how did you get through your tough time and like my faith? Mike, uh, okay? It was like it's- faith is like- that's what I said. Oh no, it was- it was my sermon. It said faith is like a fork. You got to put it in something otherwise. You're not gonna- you know, you can be able to put anything in your mouth and I can be able to sustain yourself. So I just saw that was funny. People- I hate when people just go, my faith. It was like your faith saved you? But- let's just like an extension cord brought electricity to your house. You just lay it there. No, you got to plug it in. You idiot. So what is- As it is- It's something. But none of the interviews ever think, well faith- they never ask. They never follow that question. Oh, your faith. You- you faith something. So good. Okay, watch one. Right. It's like saying belief. Yeah, it's like- Why is it that gets you through it? My beliefs. Oh, by the way, I only believe in science. So that's what I believe in. Okay. Faith is not- So I'm still unsure. Chris Pratt, I'm pretty sure because he's- he's suffered some ostracization. He's been ostracized. Although, like I said, I'm not gonna- I'm not gonna have him teach at our church. I'm gonna have him. And the pulpit just yet. But even though I've- Well, there's lies at my church. But- Well, but there's a- It's a skill set. I mean, be able to deliver- Be able to speak to a group of people is- Is not an automatic with particularly actors. You know, people who- People who are on camera and they play characters. That doesn't- That doesn't necessarily mean that if they're not reciting lines that were given to them in a script, that they're going to be able to string a sentence together that's going to- That's what I worry about so much. I really do want people to just leave them alone for a little while. Because I think what happens is- I don't know if they just- They get asked all these expert questions. What's the quote from John Pipery? He says- Uh, you're using uh, kindergarten theology to- To attack, uh, PhD level problems. So people are shooting this junk at him and they're like, uh, uh, I don't just go out- With- Like Joe Rogan, if that was a real question, it wasn't- it didn't say quotes or anything. But if he goes- So you think there was a real Jesus? I go- Just the fact that I know that most scholars believe there was a real Jesus of Nazareth. I mean, there if that's not what he was asking, he's asking if Jesus did miracles and he was- Well, he followed that up asking Joe if he wanted to meet Jesus or Noah. Was that a friend? And Joe said- Joe said now. Do you want to meet Jesus? You wanted to get- He wanted to get him in touch with his pastor. Right. So he has a pastor. Yeah. Okay. All right. No, maybe at the same time- Well, I guess that I fell on the other ditch. Because all other people are asking celebrities for theological wisdom. I'm brushing them off for not being able to answer things. That's a problem. That's good to see some as fine. I'm fine with it, but- I'm not against them. Yeah, like I'm not against them. What I'm against is people want- Like John said, somehow that lens credibility to Christianity just because of famous version of Marxism. Well, and there are believers and there are- There are grifters because- I mean- And everything. Christians- Christians are very often not very discerning and we will champion you ever. Where's the right- You're on our side, Jay. We're on the cool person. Yeah. He was in a movie. One kind of joke. What kind of joke I think God's playing on us is- Is that we keep adopting people like Chris Rock and Rob Schneider and people that are like- They might have been cool 20 years ago and we're like, I look at this famous person. Right. Never- It's never Timothy Shalamey or Supreme the Carpenter anybody like- Top of the heap right now that's always- There's a reason for that. Right. There's a reason for that. You get blacklisted. Well, also it's easier for a camel to enter the Ivan Needles and a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Right. When you already- When you already have everything and everyone is- Giving you everything you want. Why would you go, you know what? I need more restrictions on my life. I need to- I need to not have sex until I'm married and I need to- Uh, take care- Yeah, and sell everything I have and follow Jesus. Right. It's not that that hasn't happened. But- Yeah, the more you have. That's the reason Jesus said it's easier for a rich man to go through the- Or the camel to have a needle. Either one really. Because it's hard to get that stuff out. It's easier for a camel to go to heaven than a rich man to go to heaven. Well, somebody was talking about Joe Rogan like becoming a Christian. Wouldn't it be awesome if Joe Rogan became a Christian? Think about the reach he would have. Think about it. And it's like, you don't understand how this works. I mean, the reason he has the reach is explicitly because he is not a Christian. He is not- Right. He is not preaching uh, Jesus. And you under estimate- Well, when he starts to preach Jesus, he'll lose his platform. I mean, that's not to say any advantage. But it would be- It's so funny how we put our stress more in Joe Rogan than that. And then what God can actually do. It's like, finally, God's got somebody who can help him out. Finally, Joe Rogan has somebody who can improve his PR. Who's good enough to help him out. Yeah. The Joe Rogan totally- The anomaly to me is duck dynasty. I don't know how they ever got like full big- They were spotlight while also- Preaching the gospel every year. Because it was like A&E and they- I think they initially wanted people to laugh at him. And then come to find out there's a lot of people in America who actually believe in God. And appreciate a family who loves each other and praise over their sufferance though. No, that's exactly right. That's exactly right. The duck dynasty was not put on to- To- To champion- Not promote Christianity. That's not the reason that they were given that. The first few episodes, they were actually bleeping them. They were putting in- Oh, like fake cuckers. Swar words, yeah. And the Robertson said, what are you doing? They go, you know, this is- I shut up. They're- Yeah, and they said stop doing that. They were putting in fake beeps to make it sound like they were swearing. Wow, that's wild. The funny thing is too, I think A&E at some point was like, well, it's making money. So just keep it going. They didn't- I don't think they cared about Christianity at that point. That's funny. Joe Rogan reminds me of- When I was in college, there'd be these guys who would want to do these deep philosophical talks, but not really. They just want to sit back and go, whoa. What if- What if God is you? What if you're God? And I'm God is all around us. Yeah, and then, and I'm like, well, you can't be God because if you would know, I think- If you would- I would go with a kid like that. When the school with the kid like that, he goes, what if this is all a dream? What if we just- What if we're just a dream? And I'm like, well, like who's dreaming this? And then- And if God's dreaming it, then are we his creation? Yeah, what if we're just a dream? We're just in a dream. I had a- there's- I guess there's a short story or book called Flat World. And I really did try to- because this reminded me, he goes, if you're like a square- Oh, I see just that book. Well, no, no. And this was- I had this conversation with this guy there because he was like, yeah, flatland, is that what it is? But he's- that's in a- of sphere as passing through our dimension. Always see as a dot at first and he goes, and that's like reality. That's- now we're laughing. And I go- I go, well, you can see how God would be confusing to us. If God- you know, if God was that- if you picture God as that 3D object coming through our- we would see Him as one of us. And then he goes, no, but see, it's another dimension. Okay, we're- let's just go back to playing Star Wars. That was a really cool- there was a really cool PC game called X-wing back then, and he had it, and that's why it was over there a lot. How's it going to X-wing? It was the best. Oh my gosh. It could be any- you could be any ship. See, you would- you would listen to his crazy philosophical rants in order to be able to play X-wing. Well, he'd be in the meta- I was thinking, I'm like, how do I get all the deflectors she goes to the front? It's like, what if we're all in this little cube? And I'm like, where's the photon lasers? What can he do? I keep hitting the space bar, it just keeps launching missiles. All right, well, I don't know. All I was going to do is talk about the Super Bowl halftime show. That's all I got to say. Oh, what did you have your input, though, or did I just go off and hijack it? What was your take? I already do. I already do. I don't care about football, and I don't care about the halftime show on either side. I think that- I- I- I- personally, I think- It is. Anybody who has worked up about the halftime show is Super Bowl. And I'm talking to my people. I'm talking to our people now. If it really, really bothers you, the Super Bowl halftime show is secular, and it doesn't honor God. It's like, you need to- You need to find something else to worry about, because- Well, it seems like it's never going to honor God. It's never going to- Well, if you're looking for something else to honor God, then you're probably not doing it yourself. Because you're like, man, I wish somebody out there would honor God. Like, well, how about- That might you start? Well, it's- Well, it's got- Well, it's got- Well, you need to honor America, you know, football is America. And it's like, no, you have to stop- You have to stop trying to mark territory, you know, in- Oh, yeah. In- In- In- In- In- In- In- In- In- In- In- Because I was telling a lady this, she was like, uh- Everybody who was there to watch football didn't care about Bad Bunny in the halftime show. And everybody who was there to watch Bad Bunny in the halftime show didn't care about football. The NFL loves that because they're like, we're getting people that don't even watch football to watch this. And that drives up ratings and they get to sell t-shirts and- And that puts a little jingle in the pocket of the NFL. They don't- They don't care about football, really. That's what's so funny. It's like, I feel- I don't know why you think That the- The football commissioner is altruistic and once and is just- He's like, you know, I really just want to see football, You know, heal the earth. I feel like we can all come together. I mean, foot- No, he's like, how do I keep my job A? And then B, how do I make it more- How do I get my- My paycheck bigger? How do we make billions of dollars? That's all- That's what it's all about. How do we make billions of dollars- Let me tell you something. I used to listen to my football games on AM radio. Now you can't even do that without paying 25 bucks a month. But that's another story. What was I talking about? Oh, I said there was- There's like a point to- And it made me think- Because- Because my pastor was like, oh, I don't even know who this guy is. And I don't want to be that guy. But I did catch myself go on the internet movie database. IMDB. And it solved a lot of marital disputes for me. Well, for my wife. So Melody was like, he was in that thing and I'm like, no, he's not. And I look at him and go, well, he was in the thing. You're right, I guess. So- Who's that money? No, no, it's just- We'll have an argument about an actor. She'll be right. And I'm- I'm 100% sure she's not, and I look it up. Well, I went on IMDB and- I looked at- There's like a top 10 most sought after, most popular actors and actresses. And I did not know one name on that list. It was like 10 of them. I was like, wow, I've hit a new era of like- I don't know any of these people. Who are these people? Like my kids are going to throw on something and like, who's that guy? Right. Right, well, you've got- I was looking at a template. That's like Clooney. You know what Clooney is doing? He's doing like theater in Britain. Really? I thought he was doing a- One of those Calhsi commercials or uh- What was the other one? He might be doing a commercial too. But he's not- He's not- Graph kings or something. He's not a listing movies. Is my point, you know? Well, Does he need to? Well, he's at that Johnny Depp in France level fame. He can just be anywhere. He wants to and live anywhere. Yeah. Yeah, but that- but he's he's going- He's on the decline now, isn't my point. It's not like- It's not like he's going to be- He's going to be the- And Atlas- Yeah, he's not- They just- They just- They just- They just- They just- They just- Yeah, that's what you're saying. Yeah. And the kids- So he's kind of like now- He's being born all the time. And- And- And people who are- The people who are born today are born within the last five or six years. Are- They're going to look at- Clooney films and Adam Sandler films and- And- You know, films from the 2000s. Oh, yes. And those are like- You know, films from the 50s when we- Well, it's going to say- So Clooney is the kids today as- Like if we talk to Luke about Clark Gable. Right. He's going to make- Right. Or Bing Crosby, you know. And- Yeah, I know. And- What's the problem? Oh, Jesse- Jesse hates Bing Crosby. Watch- We watch white- We watch white Christmas every year and he's like, Oh, this guy- I'm like- Yeah. Hey, Bing Crosby. He's the coolest. But- Right. But that- That happens to- Everybody- Definitely- Definitely- Yeah. Everybody becomes Bing Crosby someday. That's what I'm saying. When are you- When is your popularity going to be on the decline? Like when are you going to July? That was on the decline before I never- Pete. I mean, it was like- I never went up. I always just- But you had a- You have a dry bar special. You have two dry bar specials. That's right. So does everybody. I mean, there's a- Try and name a comic that doesn't have a dry bar special. You can't do it. They all have- I mean, I guess the- Luke said- Well- Wait, I'll look down- But I mean, there's- There's comics that- There's- There's comics that- I- I've told myself- Well, they're never going to be a comic, but they've got dry bar specials. Okay. What do you do? And the guy- I've got guys that I'm tour- And I used to tour with- Who are- You know, they're on stage with Nate Birdazzi now. And you just don't get- You don't get a lot bigger than that. Yeah. Just gonna end up wrong. Yeah. Well, I'm definitely- I'm the- We're part of the old guard, too. It's like- We're part of the- Remember that band! Remember that band! Yeah. And we- I mean, we were on tour, like, year ago. And it happens. I mean, it happens to everybody. But what's, like, mercy me in third day, or are they- The third day is not around anymore? Third day is doing a reunion tour. I think- I don't know if it's still going on, but yeah, third day. Mercy me is still cranking. They got to move- Another movie that I can only imagine part two. Oh, I can only- I can still only imagine- I can only imagine- I'm still imagining. It's still only imagining. I can only imagine again. Here's a- What did I do? Oh, there's- Here's the thing I wrote down. We were watching the goonies, speaking of movies. I was gonna do a segue. Speaking of movies, uh, We were watching the goonies, and that lady, the lady that plays, uh, for Telet, Moff or Telet, and then- Look, you've seen the goonies. Okay, gotta make sure we're on a common- She was like known- I just was wondering, oh, did she know why they cast her? Like, like, was she going, yeah, I have this really vulnerable side, and I can- or I can be tough, and then- and the casting director was like, let's just get the ugly lady from the drama from the train. Well, the throw mama from the train come first. I don't know. I was just- that's the only other movie I know. She was- Is that- Is that lady that you're describing? She was like- She was the mean, ugly, ugly lady. Yeah. For every- every movie that she was- She played that character. But do you think she ever was like- I wonder if I'm being typecast as a mean person or was she like, fully aware that- okay, I get it. Mm-hmm. I think- I'm just gonna- I think the- I think the- The character- The character- The character- The character- I think that you become- I think typecasting is- is a dream come true. If you- If you can- If you fit a type in Hollywood, then- Then you're going to work steady. So I- I don't think that most- Most of the people that know what they're doing are offended by that because they go, Okay, well, I found my lane and uh- And so that's gonna- That means I know which auditions I can skip. You know, and which auditions I need to show up at. Yeah. Yeah. You get a guy like Steve Buscemi, you know. He's- he's always going to play- Yeah. Crazy eyes. A certain type of character. And- And I think it would simplify things if you- If you knew this is what I do, um- Then you can- Okay, so- You can watch Nancy. Yeah. And Ramsey. There she is. Oh, there she is. The thing is though that- So Goody's- Let me go back. Goody's is the earliest picture they have of her- On- On IMDB. So that's her youngest- She's probably like 30 years old in that picture. Hahaha. Hahaha. She- She- She's just always had that look. But that's what I'm saying. Do you think she was self-aware? Or is she just like- I'm really honing my craft. So there- No doubt gonna- I'm sure she's- I don't know where she is in that one. You think she- You think she- Yeah, she had to know. She had to know. What was it? She was a homeless person and- Was it scrooge? There she is with Bill Murray and Scrooge. Yeah, she's like a character. Well, is there another- Because, uh, do you remember William Hong? I get you talking about, uh, Typecasting. There was a- There was a- Not Typecasting, but William Hong was just- He just cashed in. We met him. Oh, William Hong- Will you actually get a photo of him? No, he was- It was like- I can't remember if it was the first season of American Idol. Oh, the Shebangs. Yeah, he's doing- Yeah, uh, uh, oh yeah. You met him? Yeah, so we were stuck at the Denver Airport. We had like a 24 hour- We missed a flight or something and so we were just stuck there for almost 24 hours. You were just- And it's- This is saying something too, because Denver Airport is huge. So we just- All I remember is- I'm halfway awake and somebody goes- Yo, I was really mumbling over there. So we went over there and I went- When I saw him, I was like, Hey, man, just keep doing what you're doing. Because I knew- I knew the time was not long for that dude. They can- All of a sudden, Sharie. Because I don't know what happened to him. I wonder what he's doing. He's the only happens ever when he hit Wonder. You know, a month goes by- Retired of Malibu and they're mansion and- Yeah, He only takes one song. And look, he takes one hit. He's been married twice. And he had a gambling addiction as an Torrentine- And 2022 admitted that his gambling addiction had contributed towards his divorce and then he was taking steps to eradicate it from his life. Do you think he's broker? Or do you have that much money to have had a gambling addiction and taking steps to eradicate it from his life? I don't know. You can lose a lot of money gambling. That's true. If you do it properly. You really gotta work at it. Oh my gosh. I didn't know he had a Christmas record. Oh gosh. For the holidays. Let's get it. I'm trying to find the picture of us, but I don't think it's in my online album. I'll keep looking. You know what? He should be the Super Bowl half time show. Sure, man. They need to do the greatest hits of American Idol. They'll do William Hung and- Yep. William Hung and- Gosh, what was that guy that came in the second? And what do you actually- What? What do you mean by the years of it? We can only think of one guy. Yeah, well, I wasn't really- So I kind of- I don't like cringe entertainment, although I did watch the office, but I can't watch the first season. I can watch it. I can endure it, but it's not that funny to me. And so when they do the audition, whether they're in front of people, they're just singing. When there's people, it's kind of like a horror movie. When they kill a person, they have to make that person deserving of that murder. So you're kind of cheering for the killer. So that's what they do with American Idol. They make these people so unaware of themselves. And so full of themselves that when they come in and they sing so off key that you want to cheer when the guys are like, nah man, get out of here. Are they like, you know, they're Apollo and I thought, what is the- What is the Apollo show you're used to watch? The people would get booed off. Anyway, uh, the Gong show. That's, but I can't watch that. The Gong show was funny. Why did I like that as a kid at Not American Idol? That's weird. I just was- Gong show was raunchy. My mom, my mom had had a lot of mixed emotions about me watching the Gong show. Oh really? That's what's funny is my dad would just watch that stuff. If he liked it, he liked it. Yeah. Well, I don't remember. I don't remember being, like, like getting it. When I- Because I was so young that I liked it because I thought it was funny. And if they were goofy, but I didn't understand most of the raunchy humor that my mom was worried about. I didn't- I didn't pick up on it. Oh yeah, we- I don't remember- Yeah, because the unknown comic would get on there and do weird jokes. All right. I just thought it was hilarious because he would like, you know, dance around and- and say stuff in a funny way, but I was just laughing because he was silly. But okay, Clay Aiken was who I was trying to think of. And Scotty McCreary, there's a bunch of American idols that I don't even- I didn't even realize were- Like, you know, Matt Warnes- Who was the- Oh, Ruben Stuttered. We were on an airplane with Ruben Stuttered. And it was so funny to hear Mark talk about this because when we got down to tick our bags, first of all, he had no entourage with them. But it was kind of at his peak. There was like a bunch of girls that came out to him, hey, can we have your autograph? And so he was just like- He didn't care less. He didn't want to talk to him. And he kind of would just sign it. And just like it was half-hardly doing it. Mark's like, dude, you're 15 minutes. You're almost up. You better eat this up. Oh, season six. Yeah, he's six, he's six, he's six. Where? It was just funny. I was like, how- It doesn't take long. What do you think you are that you could just be a butthole to little teenage girls even though they like? He's like, man, enjoy this while you got it. All right. That's right, man, Disa. I forgot she won. I didn't know that. Oh wait, I'm sorry. She had ninth- She was a ninth place. Wow. She was season five. I'm still had a heck of a career. I am, man. Daughtery. We did meet, we met in Daughtery twice. You got to remember who that was? That was right in that bro rock era of Nickelback and everything. So anyway, we were so famous once we met famous people. That's how famous we were. I got pictures with Weird Al, Flav of Flav. Amanda Bines before she went nuts. Yeah, I'm trying to find pictures. I'm serious. I've been scrolling trying to get to the oldest pictures I have pictures of you with famous people. That was such a tragedy. Who what was? Amanda Bines. Because she was like, everybody's crush of that generation and now and then she went went psycho but. Well, I think it's proof of what being in Hollywood does to you. Well, why would agree with that? Yeah, that's that's the thing and people, people outside of Hollywood go isn't it a tragedy? And it's like, you mean the thing that always happens to people? To everyone. That's what you're talking about. I wonder sometimes just because a person has an ability to put on a tux and comb his hair. It's like people think he's put together. The many of the gets in the limo. What is going on? Actually, I don't want to know what's going on. It's late night told shows that did it for me when they would have these actors and actresses come on and they would just try to have a regular conversation with them and it's like, this guy is dumb. I mean, he doesn't have a, he doesn't, he doesn't have interesting stories and he doesn't he doesn't talk like somebody who who seems to know, you know, how to how to communicate what he just wanted to look at. Things to say. This is a person who who lives by by reading a script. He sure is nice to look at. And they're not all that way. There's a few like comics. They tend to be, they tend to be all right. And then there's a few actors that when they bring them over in the interview, it's like, okay, well, this person knows how to have a conversation. They know how to tell a story. But a lot of them don't. They're just, they're just really boring. What's the, have you ever had, you've, you've done interviews, right? I've never had to interview. There was one that particular was, heinous to you. That's one that you can't remember. They're all pretty heinous with the, with very few exceptions. Like doing interviews are the interviewers don't know, they don't know how to ask questions that are that are going to be interesting. Yeah, you've done radio stuff. Yeah, that's it. Here, okay, real quick before we go into more than that. This is American Music Awards. I'm trying to, okay, there's Fergie. I don't know why these are so tiny. What is the deal here? They are very tiny. Anyway, that's, uh, Mark Hall. Is that you with Mark Hall? It looks like she's a cut out too. She's not even looking at, she looks like she's a cardboard. There's Amanda Bynes right in this area. Yeah, I know. And then Miley Cyrus, this is funny because this is her Hannah Montana era. And, uh, also Kirk Franklin, I don't know if he's in there. But well, I was last one up this, that door behind us. I was the last one through that door and everybody's like, hey, take a picture. I was like, okay, hey, and then they walked away. I mean, who is that? They're like, Miley, Miley Cyrus. I like who? And like, she plays Hannah Montana. I went, oh, okay. I got it. There's, there's dockery. And that's me is, uh, Elvis hair and better days. My hairs had better days. Okay, that was it. Is that your real hair? No, we had a, a long time ago for a buddy of mine. We were pretty adept at Photoshop. And so we, we started doing a dueling banjo is a Photoshop picture. That's a relief because of that. I think you're real hair. Profile pictures were like, they mattered. That was when we did that. Yeah, I remember. Okay, what was it before I interrupted with my slideshow of famous people? Oh, interviews. They're do terrible. I didn't have. Well, the worst one that are the hardest one for me was there was a guy that would just say a statement. And you had to start talking after that. Yeah, it wasn't a question. So he'd be like, um, this is your third album. It's coming out. Yeah, it is. Good job counting. I should have done that. I should have shut down. I was so nervous to perform though. But that was a good easier. And that's pretty typical of interviews. Most of the time they would ask a question. And I would respond. And then they would not respond. They would just move on to the next question or, uh-huh. And it just didn't seem like a conversation. Brian Hansen was the exception. Brian was the first one to ever win on the radio. And I'm like, my gosh, this is actually fun. This is amazing. We're having a. Back before. Take it back. We did do a college radio show. And it was just me and Mark in there. And the guy was like, basically asking Mark who he was and what's his, what song do you have out? Mark's like, he and his head he goes, I'm not doing your work for you, buddy. This is, this is your, this is your show. All right. You need to make it. It was just funny. I was like, so you guys, what, uh, how many songs do you have on your CD? Like, well, let's look at it. It looks like, it looks like 10. If you, if you flipped that over, you can count them. Looks like we got 10 on there. Yeah. 10 songs. It was those kind of questions. It was like, oh. And I, I don't like being in awkward situations, but that was a fun one to watch. And I'm just like, this is awesome because it was, because you can separate yourself from it. I was just there to be eye candy. Okay. Goodbye, everybody. Bye. Yeah. Look.