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We can't wait to see you guys. Waterbreak summit is our first one. And we're very excited to be doing it. And then should be we got Joel Green and Dr. Tabitha, Dr. Anthony Ben Greenfield. We got a lot of good stuff going on. So hope you guys have a good trip. We'll see you at the summit on Friday and Saturday with that said. And no major announcements. With anything, we're going to today. We're going to talk about a specific email we got from the listener. You will know who you are. Thank you for emailing us. I appreciate it. We're not supposed to say names. No names. No names. It'll be a, um, um, say name sometime. Billy Joe. We see names from the North West. We've said names a lot of times. I don't think they care. No, just don't maybe don't say the last thing. Sure. There you go. Is that fine? Yeah. Becky. There you go. Becky. Becky. You shoot, she sent us an email a while ago. And it was very in depth and really good. And, um, I need to email you now, Becky, to tell you that we're answering your, yeah, yeah. We're answering your, this is, this is our way of answering your email. Yeah. Well, and we just thought this was long. This was made, this was made by good questions. And like this would make a good show. So, you know, that's what we're doing. Great questions. I've strategically structured the studio this week to where my wife is here. And March Madness is there. So March Madness is kind of key. So it's like you're looking at me. It's great. Yeah, it looks like. Yeah. Do you guys, he's obsessed with March Madness, but it's sporting month of the year. He will like bring his phone in the shower. Like, can't take that. Yes, you will. You'll put it, you'll prop it up so that when you're in the shower, you're watching. Yeah, in the far, she's on the shower. On the shower. On the long shower. So I think he hear the game. Yeah. Best boarding month of year. Right now there's like eight games going on per day right now. You'll watch while you're driving, which is very unsafe. You'll have a game on. It's so bad. Oh, yeah, he's obsessed. He made me fill out. We got married our anniversary is March 11th. So we got married a wristband break. Um, and 2005 she filled out her first. Bracket on our honeymoon. No, it was good. It's fantastic. I can't believe he's doing it. Remember that story. He said I just remember me. Okay. Don't care about this that much. Yep. And we all do handwritten brackets in our family. And then we put them in a, um, a tournament portal and ESPN. Oh, yeah. I some years I feel one L, but other years I just, I just don't, I grew up watching the NBA. I have phone memories watching like the old school like Chicago Bulls and the stuff. My dad liked it. And so we liked it. Old school NBA was good. Old school NBA was good. And I really enjoyed that. But I never really got into college. Even though I know that's where the better basketball is. And it's just hard for me. And then when you try to make me fill out a bracket, I'm literally like, well, I know, you know, you're just guessing. You're just guessing. Does he ever pay it on? Sir, because they're colors. Yeah, I haven't watched the games. I don't watch this. It still almost beats me every year. Bracket. Well, because we know what that tells you is that bracketology is, and that I think, is just pure luck. I don't think. That's why the term is so good. I mean, I will do too almost got upset. If I'm doing better than you in the bracketology, then that tells you there is no skill involved. It's just like, there's probably just too many, well, how is that possible if I was being like that? Has there just be, there's too many upsets. Like there's too many upsets. He's just, it's not predictable. Well, it just, it seemed that way. He's part of the fund. Well, it just feels like a waste. I go off of like the colors and the names that I like the most, you know, like, hmm, anyways, you ready to go? Yeah, let's get started. Okay, once again, can't see out of this eye. I have contact problems, you guys. Okay, so Becky wrote this a while ago and, beginning of the morning, not that long, beginning of the morning. Great questions. I'm just going to dive. It's an in-depth email. So I'm just going to dive right into the question. She says, I would really love to hear you address three things. Maybe let's just go, I'll read one and then we talk about it. And then we'll see if we get to all three. I'm sure we will. She said, the spiritual issues behind some of the problems we're facing in Christian cultures. Not talking, we don't love God like we used to. I mean, laziness, excuse making on both husband and wife's sides, whining about aches and pains and hard work. The I don't have time and how to prioritize, especially for homeschooling moms. Entitlement, the abundance culture that is made as soft for sure. And the new age, this one new thing is sure to fix all your troubles. Is everywhere. Organic foods might help take the load off the body. That is having trouble detoxing on its own. But like marriage amplifies the sin problem. So do all of our circumstances. The low hormones and non-organic foods don't cause the sin, but they do amplify it. Fick the hormones will not fix the sin. And it may minimize it enough that we don't deal with it. But also, please, let's fix the hormones. There's a lot. There's a lot. But also, let's all feel better. Is it already done reading? Yeah, that was number one. And there's a lot there. I hope we can answer this well. We can at least try. Yeah. You know, I appreciate the fact in the email that she's not trying to disconnect the spiritual life from the food. Well, it's almost like she's trying to connect them. She's like making a connection there, which I think is really healthy. Yeah. And we don't want to be like, as Christians, we don't want to be atheists when we talk about food or working out or health. Yeah. You know, where we just kind of pretend that God's not really much of a factor when my body doesn't feel well or when my hormones are off-wack or whatever I'm depressed, we don't want to act like it's just a science issue. The Bible, multiple times in scriptures, we find that people got sick or were unhealthy because of their spiritual sin. Not just, you know, who knows what they're eating, but Paul talks about that in the Lord's supper in 1 Corinthians chapter 11 where he says, some of you are eating and drinking to your own demise, to your own unhealthiness. And so we know that food is connected to our walk with the Lord and our spiritual walk with the Lord. And then, but the other part of this is we also want to be the kind of Christians where we aren't on the other side of this where we aren't like talking about food is a guilty problem. Talking about working out is a guilty problem. We want to be grace driven and not guilt driven when it comes to like, yeah, you should work out, probably, yeah, you should work out, but you don't want to do it in a way where you're trying to make people feel guilty for not working out. You don't want to change your food hat. You don't want to talk about food in a way that you should feel guilty for eating some Doritos or whatever. We don't want to do that either. And so, you know, kind of get rid of the atheism, get rid of the nosticism out of your out of how you kind of view health and all that stuff. Once you kind of, I think once you kind of clear up some of that junk, you can much easier kind of understand, okay, where I'm not being thankful, my depressed, and I do, I need to confess I'm sitting there like that kind of thing. I think once you kind of clear up some of the debris around it, it's much easier to maybe talk about how my diet actually contributing to my problems here. Yeah, yeah, I think so. She says, I mean, laziness, excuse making both husband and wife's sides, going about aches and pains, hard work, I don't have enough time. And then how to prioritize, I assume she means health. Well, we'll ask her especially homeschooling. She's maybe talking about a little bit like they maybe had some laziness or or I mean, yeah, or or facts, she's making them like, you know, yeah, well, I almost from at least from where I stand and just from the experience I've had working with so many women on this issue, health, you know, it seems to me that most Christians have actually been in, is Nostek the right word? Like, like almost agnostic or Nostek. So Nostek would be like, hey, spiritual good material. That's what I'm talking about. That's, that is the right word then. Okay, so I'm like, I'm like, I'm going to get into the right word. Where it's like, I think most Christians are very like, they know like, okay, my spiritual life, my, I take my family to church, we try to educate our kids, you know, well, we'd, how we're doing spiritually matters and it does, very much. And I think most Christians whether or not they're doing really well there, they know that that is very important. And that's needs to be a big focus in their life. And that's part of being a Christian. But I think a lot of Christians, the reason they don't make time or they make excuses or whatever is just because they haven't, they, they see health, physical health as just like not even a thing. Like it's just not that important. I mean, that's kind of what I'm, I know there's exceptions, but I just haven't seen us put any or very much value on it at all. And if you don't value something, if something is not important to you, you're not going to make time for it. You're not. I mean, we're busy people. It's, I don't know a lot of parents were just like laying around, you know, like, moms that are just like lazy and bored like, that's rare. I think, you know, especially in our community. So it seems to me that actually we've separated the spiritual walk, the spiritual aspect of our life from the physical. And we've just really not attended to the physical sides of things. But the problem is, is that, I mean, obviously, I don't agree with that. I don't think that's what we should be doing. But the problem is, once your health gets bad enough, you're going to have to pay attention to it. And people always do it. Once your doctors like you now have diabetes or once both your knees give out, because you're so overweight or once you, I mean, you're a bed ridden as a mom because your body's falling apart because of all these pregnancies without rehab or whatever. I mean, there's a million examples. Then you care because you can't function. And that's usually when it's like it gets bad enough that everybody goes and tries to solve their problems. And that's not a great strategy. You know, obviously, you can start no matter how bad it is. You can, I, there's usually always a way to work on it. There's, there's usually a way out, you know, it's harder often when you wait that long. It's frustrating, you know, for everybody involved. But it's a, it would be a much better approach to prioritize it from the start. But I think generally we will prioritize and not make excuses for the things that we've decided to put value on. Right? And you can put value on things for a good reason or a bad reason. You could be obsessed with a gym and it's all vanity. And that would not be a great reason. Although I do not at all, I always just like to say this, I think it is totally fine to want to look decent for your spouse as a human being. I have no problem with, I don't have a problem with aesthetic goals, but I do think people can take it really far. Obviously. And you see a lot of the gym culture. But the reason for the value matters. But I mean, your ability to function, your ability to last your ability to do your job well, be a good parent, be a good spouse. You know, those, those are good reasons to be taking care of your health. But I do, I just think that you'll, you'll do and you'll make time for the things that are important to you. And I, and I also will say this that I think one of the reasons, and then you could chime in on this, one of the reasons that this is just, this is an additional thing. It's not the only thing. But I really feel strongly about this. I think one of the reasons moms, like she mentioned, homeschooling moms, I know that's, that this is a challenge because you're not just being a mom and a wife. You're also the teacher. That's like a whole separate side job. I think, I mean, that's what I think of it. I like that's just that, that's extra if you're homeschooling. Well, you don't, you don't have like an assistant like Logan. It's like we have, right? Like we, we, I mean, I feel my life's pretty full just being just running a household, having three kids, and I send them to school. So I can't even imagine like that's, that's a lot extra, you know, to be homeschooling. But I was, where was I going with that? Oh, I think one of the reasons that this, it is such a struggle to prioritize to make time for or what have you is that moms are doing too much. Like we have said, we have all and maybe dads to, you know, maybe it's a different calculation because dads obviously have to go to work and have to, you know, there's certain things they have to do. But moms have a tendency to build a life for themselves. And you could be a mom with a job outside the house. A mom who, it doesn't, a mom is homeschooling, a mom is not. But you find a way to say yes to too many things. And your health always, because it does take time. And we've talked about this quite a bit recently. It takes time to shrink train. It takes time to shop. It takes time to meal plan. It takes time to work on your cardiovascular fitness, which is very important. You can't cheat time on a lot of these things. Like they take time, sleeping enough. That takes time, you know, every, a lot of these inputs that are very necessary for our health do take time. Like and there are only 24 hours on a day. So I just think a lot of us are saying yes to too many things all in one season of life. And the health always goes. It just goes. And yeah, so some of that is just priorities, but some of it is just like sheer, it's too much. Like it's too much. So I always, I was on a podcast yesterday and we were, we were talking about this very thing. Like I feel like we always moms and dads alike need to be willing to look at our entire life, our entire schedule, our life, our priorities, what even what we might consider like kind of not optional, like, like kind of this is assumed, you always need to be willing to get rid of stuff. Yeah. And just like that needs to be that needs to go maybe you need a different job. Is this job killing your health? Maybe we need to try to find another job for you. That doesn't always mean you can make that change tomorrow. That's maybe not always possible. But like I feel like a lot of women out there need to quit their jobs. I think there's a lot of women out there, honestly. And again, don't be offended. I don't know everybody's personal story. I think there's a lot of women where you are not in a health state to be homeschooling your kids. Like you're not your disaster, you know, and like and and if you were really healthy, maybe you would be it would be fine. But you know, as it is, I see situations often where it's like you, your stress is too high. Your your your your health isn't a really bad place and you don't have the energy or the bandwidth or the time to take care of yourself and that's a problem. You know, you want to chime in? Yeah, this is, I mean, this goes back to the kind of the beginning of our conversation here. You could be depressed because you have real sin in your life or you could be depressed because, you know, I don't know, your testosterone levels will low. I know it's a hard time. Well, maybe it's a little bit of bulls sometimes. And often that's probably, you know, it's probably you want to make sure you're you're confessing your sin. You should be the clearest thinkers about these things because we know we can we should be able to analyze what is sin and then what, you know, what is the maybe objective scientific problem of my body. Those are the in conflict with each other at all. And yeah, they're not. But you got to harmonize. Yeah, they're not. The spiritual and the physical everything. So I think that's true. That's it's part of being an adult, I think. A Christian just an adult also is understanding that lots of things can be true at the same time. And I think a lot of us like kind of have a hard time with that, you know, but a lot of things can be true at at the same time. So obviously your spiritual walk really does matter. I hope we're getting to everything here. You know, like I will also say that I think a lot of people adults struggle with exercise or eating better or whatever because it's hard. It's hard. If you just doesn't come that naturally to you, it's hard if those habits haven't been set. That's nothing we were talking about yesterday. It's just like, man, if you can set these habits with your kids young. Yeah. Like set these habits because it's really hard. Sorry, you guys have to text my kids are every which way right now. They're like, when it's my hair appointment? When do I pick who up from what park it? What birthday party? I've seen you make sure I'm seeing. I'll talk about some things. That's fine. That's fine. Yeah. Sorry. Kids have to come first, guys. And obviously as Christians, we have kind of weighted priorities. We have, I think we think that the home life is way more important. We think motherhood is way more important. We think that dad needs to be providing for the family and that the mom should not be taking a job to pay the bills that the dad needs to figure that out. That kind of thing. And so we have these priorities. And then I mean, I felt this for law. I still feel this. I still working out is still a challenge in my schedule. Yeah. You're a good example of this. It's been, this is why we were so late to the game with you because you just you feel the pulse so much. It's hard to be like, and now I'll go to the gym, especially, you know, a newly married man. Let's say 25, which is what I was, you know, and then you're like in the heaviest part of your career between like 35 and probably 55. And and and and young kids, those responsibilities and kids, coaching teams, and your buildings, time building, you have all these investments that don't make money yet. You know, and so your responsibilities and the compelling nature of those responsibilities, right. Well definitely prior push priorities down and lower. And you've got to kind of sort through that in such a way. And the problem, you know, problem with me is like, okay, last September, I figured out I had high blood pressure. So I've been pushing these priorities down. I know. For so long, and then high blood pressure pops up and becomes a problem. Well, that's the problem. Is that that that, see, that you're a good example of this, you know, where it's like it had to get that bad, but it would have been better if we put these habits in some way, shape, or form into place more consistently earlier so that it didn't get that bad, right. And I'm not saying, I mean, no, yeah, I mean, none of these issues are laziness issues for you. No, no, literally. But I say, I see so stressed out and working for our, is it most guys in this that super busy work at hard, like trying to make sure they can be a single income family. So why mom can mom can be home. Yeah, and good on you guys. And she's already got a full full. All those things are right. And then, you know, you aren't like fat or you aren't like super unhealthy. I mean, you cook well. You cook well. Right. It wasn't, you know, so nothing was that bad. So nothing was horrible. And you were an ex-athlete too. And I think ex-athletes, man, are some of the worst here because they just kind of coast on a little bit. Everything that used to be the case for you. I mean, three. But you never had to, you just were a beer to those teeny back bowl player. You never had to worry about it, right. I do have, you know, dad had diabetes, dad had high blood pressure. So there's potentially kind of what I'm, what I'm, you know, trying to sort through with the high blood pressure or competently just be like just a genetic thing at some level. Yeah. Yeah. And so, but, but it what it did is also helped me like, I mean, you know, a friend of mine, Rick Hoguebone passed away yesterday. I don't know if you know, I saw a really sad post about it. Super sad. He didn't, he looked. He was 47 years old. I'm 46. I'm 46. But you know, was that a heart attack? I don't know yet. But he was in the middle of a talk in public forum and and dropped. That is all. But the point is that was terrible. Like, whatever we do, I want to be only do my best in a reasonable, responsible, right within reason. You know, and we've talked about the gym culture. Like this, I mean, you guys got to come to our summit. There's a lot of this thing we talked about. But like, the gym culture is full of idolatry. The muscle building world's full of idolatry. There's all these ditches over there in our world. The ditches different in the reformed Westbyterian, cigar smoking. It's to do. They're drinking to do nothing. Bearing psalms. We're old, which is also not the answer. Yeah, it's not the answer with our bodies. And so, yeah, I mean, there's just a lot, but there's a lot there. Yeah. But I would say overall, overwhelmingly, I'm just kind of going through these questions and asking yourself, you know, husband, these questions, having, you know, emailing something like this, you know, hopefully you know, husband have already saved, had some good conversations on this. Yeah. It's like just processing it and kind of revisiting and maybe repartising. It's going to go a long ways, especially if the husband's taking a lead here, it really frees the wife up to to feel less, did not feel guilty about maybe wanting to go on walks more as a family or something, you know, starting in small places or something or like literally getting a gym membership and learning how to start this one place, learning how to do it because that's an issue too. I just the last thing I want to say on this one is you should kind of brought up the hormone stuff and the in the in the. And the same answer issue. This question. Yeah, sorry, in this question, but I do think I think you need to be right with God. A lot of us have our own specific sins. Women towards tents, towards certain ones, men, ten towards certain ones, I guess everybody's individual, but you need to get right with God. You need to be honest about what things that you need to work out with him that are that would fall under the same category. And then I think it's also true that hormones man are so powerful in our bodies and and God made them that way. You know, it's not like this is separate from God. I mean, he created them. They're they're messengers in our body that that play very, very big role. So I'll just say if you are especially women, because they're I mean, men too, men usually you're looking, I mean, there could be other weird things, but a lot of times testosterone. But if you're feeling like just kind of low, not motivated, like just have no get up and go. I mean, you could be a spiritual issue. It could be a lazy issue, but like we're patients. We can we should those things work. Check your testosterone. I mean, really, and especially because it's so commonly low right now and women, I'm sorry, we've got way more hormones than that that can be, you know, out of whack out of like, or just not, you know, doing their job at all or not existing at all. But I mean, low thyroid, that'll that can make you that can take you and make you just feel like a crazy person. You know how many women you guys are actually just super low thyroid who are put on actual antidepressants and happens all the time all the time because they feel so low like they're everything is so low in their body. Their mood is so low and they feel crazy and it's just terrible. So if if you're like, man, I feel like I'm doing well spiritually, but I feel so bad. If you're not sleeping or you have a lot of anxiety, look at your progesterone. Look at your progesterone. Work with someone who can kind of help you with that. I mean, if you're if you're super, super low energy all the time chronic fatigue check your ferritin. I mean, there's so many things that can really actually very heavily affect how you feel and it just bums me out that this isn't more common knowledge and that we're not kind of just checking these things regularly because it's so sad to see someone suffer for so long and not just suffer as an individual, but your entire family unit's going to suffer if mom can't function everyone suffers, you know, I mean, it's just kind of the whole same dad. I mean, it's just really bad, you know, but it just bums me out that so many people can live so many years with such poor quality of life when it could have possibly been such an easy fix and hormones are a big, they're not the only thing and they don't and I think, Becky, me at this point, they don't excuse sin, but they sure can make your life a lot worse like or better. So, you know, and it's all part of God's design. So let's just get with it. Let's learn about them and let's try to get them where they're supposed to be so the week and feel good. I mean, and if you have more questions about that you guys, I have kind of a standard blood panel that I if people just ask me and I don't know any extra details about you. You start here. I have one for women. I have one for men that I think is just baseline and if you're dealing with like major lethargy, maybe personally, I'd say, okay, add a whole full iron panel on or something, but this is just sort of baseline stuff if I don't know any details about you. Just let me know. I'll email it to you and I think I do find a doctor who will pull them. Some doctors, I think they're very basic. I don't think any doctors should be pushback hard, but some docs are really weird. Like some docs won't pull a vitamin D. I don't know why or they won't pull a facet insulin. Again, I don't know why, but you can now you can order online. Like you can skip the doctor and just go through quest labs, go through. There's tons of different options where you can just buy your own labs. Jason Health is at least I've done a little research on this. You guys not too much about a little in terms of where it's the most affordable because if you get a long list of labs and each one of them is 30 bucks that adds up, you know, but Jason Health.com that's pretty darn cheap. You can get any lab that you want. There it's the most affordable option that I've seen and they just go right through quest. So you just have to find a quest lab in your area, which most big cities have a quest. That's the only thing is that you have to find a quest. You can't just go to go to any lab to get it done, but that's super affordable option if you just don't want to deal with the doctor, you know, which sometimes. So anyways, I'll just put that out there and let me know you guys if you're feeling really bad, anxious, sad, low energy, oftentimes there's a root cause there. And my as well, my as well help ourselves out if we can. So anyways, okay. Next one, nervous system regulation. This is a huge topic right now in health space. Fight, flight, freeze. And how we'd address that before or after weight training, does this mimic exacerbate anxiety? So does the weight training are women living in more fear and anxiety now? Probably. Maybe does repentance when required do more for the nervous system than weight training, debriefing, and organic foods? I don't mean that literally I mean for our souls. I'm really curious what would happen to us women as a whole if we re realigned and actually submitted an obedience to God, what would happen to us health wise? Really interesting point. What does the piece that passes all understanding trigger in our health and healing? The releasing control, right? We're eaves. We have control sins, excuse sins, blame shifting sins. That's really well written. That's very insightful. Do you want to say anything or do I mean to start? That's it. That's it. That's that's that's number two. I just know Gabe because I know I'm more up to snuff on the health space than you are. Nervous system regulation is really big right now. A tons of doctors talking about it. So basic. So yeah, so I mean, I mean, it's nervous system. So it's super complex. I don't even think we all understand it all the way, but basically you have a sympathetic and a parasympathetic nervous system. Sympathetic is like fight or flight. So that's where you go if you're going to if you're super stressed or you're playing a basketball game or you're fighting someone or whatever. And then there's parasympathetic, which is rest and digest is what they would say, where that's where you want to be most of the time. That's where your body can actually like rest. It can calm down. Core results stress hormones come down. And it's very real. I have no, you know, I don't take any issue with the science of it. And it is very true that a lot of women in particular due to probably some of this stuff. I'm sure thought life, spiritual life can play into this. I don't I think our thoughts 100% affect our physiology. We know they do. But also just over stress life and over stress job stress with the family stress. I mean, trauma, traumatic birth death in the family, all kinds of things. They can kind of get stuck in that sympathetic nervous system and they can't get out. And that's a really bad place to be. As you can imagine, you can end up with some you can really wreck your health. And you can you can measure this with like cortisol that's through the root. You can actually measure it with various stress hormones, etc. So just so you know, that's a real conversation right now. I think the modern American lifestyle in general is very, very high stress because we're all trying to do too much all at once. So I that is a huge exacerbator. But anyways, keep trying. And again, I think actually the Christian worldview is the only worldview that can really answer these situations in a healthy way. Like the the modern kind of health and fitness world, they got a pill for everything. Everything's like this scientific, you know, pill, you know, I got a pill for this or whenever you're input output, that's the only way to get an analyze things is like, oh, you just need to eat better or you need to take this pill, this depression pill, this anxiety pill, this that's that's that's the health world without God. You know, and the health world with God is we don't have these weird categories where we try to separate spiritual from the physical. We don't try to separate God from our food, you know, and so I mean, these these scenarios they do take wisdom. They do take, you know, understanding, they take kind of thoughtful, you know, discernment to be able to analyze, okay, you know, how, you know, how how spiritual of the problem is happening here and how how much of the problem is just maybe just a physical issue, maybe just mom getting a little more sleep might keep her out of that. I know that category. Maybe I know it's so hard to untangle that stuff and like sleep is a huge one you guys, but sometimes also constant worry and attendancy towards anxiety and worry is what causes you to not sleep. So yeah, it's like a vicious cycle. And this is where like like my starting point with someone who's dealing with this is actually like, well, because this is where Paul starts is like, well, how's your prayer life? Yeah, it specifically says that, you know, you know, don't be anxious for anything, but in prayer and subplication make your, make your, you know, knees, make your heart desires and all the God. You know, and that, you know, that'd be my first question. Well, actually, you know, how's your prayer life? Yeah, because that's where, you know, anxiety with a lot of anxiety and probably especially women probably build up from not having a very good prayer life. And then you kind of walk out from there, you know, of course, like one of the things that I mean, you've stressed so much on our show is try to make your health diagnosis as objective as possible. That's why we quit blood because you can see objective. Well, my hormone levels are my, my testosterone's low, my thigh rose out of black, my, my blood sugar, what, you know, you can just kind of, you know, maybe I've cancer, what you may, you know, you can, but try to make your health process as objective as possible so you can kind of get outside a little bit of your mind because you can get, you can just build on that worry. That worry gets worse because now you're concerned, I can't figure out the problem, I can't analyze the problem and then you just get even more worried, more anxious and then you stop praying even more. Yeah, I think, yeah, it's all can be intertwined and it can be a vicious cycle of one kind of propping up the other. I think if I, yeah, I know that our thoughts affect our physiology. There's Dr. Omm and Daniel Omm and I really appreciate him and his Marquis is a really famous, I think he's a psychiatrist, but does a lot of brain imaging and scanning and stuff and he, one of the things that he talks about and that I find him so, I find him interesting because of this is that his theory is that your thoughts can actually change your brain chemistry as opposed to the old school, your brain chemistry, infectious thoughts, your thoughts exactly, exactly. And, you know, I have no brain expert that I'm not going to pretend that I am, I'm sure that there can become really bad cases sometimes where people need some help to even be able to, yeah, but just in general, and I really like that. It lines up more with what the Bible says. You know what I mean? And it gives us more agency just in life rather than just being like, I am a victim of the chemical of the my brain. It's sort of like determinism. Yeah, or just like there's none you can do, your your brain chemistry is off, so just take this drug for the rest of your life. Now, you know, and I struggle though a little bit because like for any woman, trans argument, like you're, you're trapped inside. Right. Right. He's real interesting. I don't know that he's a believer or not, but he says real interesting stuff. And I appreciate that. It's a really interesting area of science that I like to listen to him here and there. But the other, but I'm torn a little bit you guys because, you know, from a hormone level, those can really, those can really get you like for any woman who's experienced the really hard drop off of hormones after a baby is born. And this is often when some women, and I don't even know if we know why some women are more prone to those postpartum blues or that postpartum depression. If any of you have felt that, it's it can be very heavy. And you can literally just be sitting there like I'm the same person I was yesterday. I think I'm doing well spiritually, but I feel so low and I feel so sad. And I couldn't even tell you why, you know what I mean? And that's that's kind of a scary feeling. And I hate to, you know, I never want to look at a woman like that and just be like, well, you just need to pray more because like you can actually, there, there's a hormonal answer to that, you know, and obviously I think you could be in that position and you can handle that well or you can handle it not well, right? And we're called to handle things like a Christian, obviously, no matter, no matter what we're going through. But you know, it's interesting. I think I think we do have a lot of agency, but I also think there can be some things at play. So I would just say for for this tendency with women to just be really struggling with nervous system regulation to be maybe worrying with fear anxiety, definitely get your prayer life where it needs to be. Talk to your spouse, talk to maybe a couple of friends that you trust, you feel like have a good handle on you and just get their input. Obviously, just to see what, you know, get get that and be humble about it, you know, but I also, for example, if you are hyperthyroid, you are going to be so anxious and shaky and your heart rate is going to be high and you're going to feel like you want to crawl out of your skin, for example. And there's really nothing that's going to fix that until you bring your thyroid hormone down. Like that's just, you know, if you're if your cord is if your adrenals are out of whack or in meltdown, which is true of a lot of women just due to years of chronic stress, you're going to be feeling pretty bad. So I think there are some objective tests that you if someone was really struggling and it just didn't seem to make sense, I would get those tests done. I mean, I think that's good information. I think that's helpful. And I've certainly run into women who have been in that boat, who have told me I thought for years, I was just an anxious, anxiety prone person who couldn't calm down and couldn't sleep. But then once I got these things regulated, I wasn't anymore. And so, you know, that's kind of sad. You know, and it's just kind of so I think there are some objective tests that you can run that I think if there's a persistent problem that no matter how well you're doing spiritually or, you know, of all the other ducks or in a row, I think I would get those done. If for no other reason, to at least rule them out, what do you think? I mean, I think that makes sense. You were like an area you just, the example you were working off of is like, this is a great area for your husband to really help you. It's like, yeah, your husband can verify, yeah, I think you're doing well, spiritually. I think you're, you know, I, and it does seem like you're going through this postpartum in a very rough season. It can be really. Yeah, you're having a lot of encouragement. Say, yeah, let's, let's take you to the doctor. Let's get you a blood panel. Let's get you some of the help that you made physically need. Yeah. Versus like just your wife kind of wondering if she's going crazy in her mind. And you can, women can really, women can really get there. And I, I made a post recently, and this is one of the things I brought up and it is like if your wife is feeling really bad, like especially for kind of, it's becoming the norm, you know, for an extended amount of time, just because a lot of women feel bad and it feels kind of common does not mean it's normal. And it's not okay. Like, like, go get her some help. They've, her energy is so low. She's so fatigued. She's brain fogged. She can't sleep. Her hair is falling out. If she can't lose weight, it doesn't make sense. Right. Go get some help for her. Like, go get some help. Like she can feel better and she should feel better. And everybody's going to do better. Like I said, I mean, women can also just kind of paralyze themselves. Do this thing. This frustration or anxiety. And it's like, you know, if it does, it's in tune. Yeah. We're looking for a lot of nose or spiritually. You're praying with her nose or prayer life. That kind of thing. And nose that we needed. We needed maybe actually figure out some things here. Like you being involved in helping encouraging with really free, really help her. You know, women just need that. Women need it. It's just kind of part of the bit. We're not that great at taking care of ourselves. We've got more tendency for whatever the paralysis. Totally. Um, I think it's hard for men too because I, I feel like a lot of men, they only, they don't know that many women. Like, you know what I mean? Like, they're not like, they don't quite understand our complex. Yeah. There's, there's some cluelessness there. And some of it is very understandable. I mean, like a lot of men operate off of doctors don't even know. No, I know. But a lot of men like, they know their mom, their experience with their mother, which is why so many men go into marriage and it's very funny, um, expecting their wife to do what their mom did a lot of the times. And sometimes, you know, it causes a little friction. And it's just like, what? Because that's like the only woman they really felt like they knew. And they just expect that they're all going to be that way. And that's a funny thing. That's, that's you hear that all the time. That like his mom did that. But I actually, I don't, I don't do that or whenever. And then once you're married, besides having daughters, really your, your wife is kind of the only woman you're close to or should be. So it's, I think it's really easy for a dude to just be like, well, maybe this is just how all women are. Maybe they're all just like tired and sick and fragile and they just never feel good or they're crabby all the time. And like, it could be easy to just be like, this is all I know. This is all she knows. I don't have other healthy, vibrant women to compare her to. Also, I don't really want to be comparing her. That feels kind of mean. You know, everyone's different. Maybe this is just how she is. You know, so that's what other reasons I try to speak out about this to the men. Like I try to speak out about this. So again, just to give you guys just a little bit of a light bulb moment. Like, hey, if this is what she's experiencing, that is not normal. And that is not healthy. And it's usually fixable. So any raisins. That's where that starts. Okay. I think we got, sorry, Becky, we're all over the place. I hope this is so helpful. Okay. Finally, well, this will be, this will be short. Okay. Finally, minerals and their roles are health. What are the nutrient dense foods that everybody talks about, but no one seems to list? That's funny. I guess you don't list them that often. How do trace minerals help our bodies? Good question. I mean, food is a huge input. It absolutely is. Let's talk about that first. So at least for me, I can't speak for anybody else, but I'm sure most people would have a similar answer. When I say whole nutrient dense foods, I'm just talking mostly whole foods, which for the most part are going to be by nature more nutrient dense, like a whole egg very nutrient dense and avocado very nutrient dense, you know, organic spinach, pretty nutrient as opposed to heavily processed packaged type foods, which not only have a bunch of ingredients in them often that we can't barely pronounce and are not going to be a big health in-tour body. I don't think it's wrong. I just, it's not health food, but also they're going to be fairly nutrient depleted deficient. Like you're just not going to find many nutrients in, I don't know, cocoa puffs. You know what I mean? And they kind of try the fortify foods with things like fortified with vitamin D or fortified with folic acid, which actually is not good, don't eat folic acid. But you can see the government has come in and tried to put nutrients back into food, but really you guys don't fall for it. You're better off just eating whole food. So I mean, again, I mean, it's obvious stuff, but meat is, you know, a lot of meat. I would say go for as high quality meat as you can. This is a hard one because it is expensive. If you have a big family, man, I mean, we just have three kids and sometimes I'm like, Annie, don't yell at the kids, they're just, you know, they're hungry. I'll make like a full crock pot of meat and like, I will plan on being able to use that again the next day. It is just gone. And I'm just like, why are you eating so? They just eat a lot. They're hungry in the eat a lot, which is a good thing. But it gets expensive, you know, and so trying to buy organic or trying to buy. I just say anytime you can, anytime you can, try to buy from someone local. And that also supports your local farmers, which I think is fantastic. You know, try to do that. And then beyond that, whatever you're going to be eating the most of, like a lot of people, this isn't us as much because you're a big griller, but a lot of moms, for example, we lean really hard on ground beef. They just use it a lot. It goes in everything, chili, hamburgers, and yes, and I totally, great idea, you know, like, and if that's like the thing you guys are ingesting four times a week on average, maybe go higher quality on that one, because you're eating more of it. That's my best advice there. You know, I know it's hard and it's, you meet alone is, is expensive and, um, and it's, and the kids just won't stop eating. So, you know, it's hard, but yeah, so meet as much variety in the meat as you can. Try not to just fixate on one kind, try to mix it up, see food is fantastic. Uh, poultry is great. Red meat. I love it. Like, just try to mix it up as much as you can. And then obviously as many fruits and vegetables as you can get into your diet, I think I think it's easier to eat fruit because it's the little taste here. It's a little sweeter. You can just eat it by itself. Um, and I've no issue with fruit as far as carbs go. But man, I think a lot of us are veggie deplete. We just don't get enough. We don't get the variety. Um, and again, try to shop your local farmers market if you can. I mean, there's no downside there. I mean, do it if you can. But you know, rinse your food. Um, even if it's not just try to get as many veggies, uh, that fermentable fiber in your gut as you can. Um, and just really what they, they say shop the rainbow. And I mean that like all the different colors, try to get it all in certain nuts and seeds are great. Hi, quality. You haven't, kids like no one has ever said that to me. High quality dairy. If you can tolerate it, I love it. I think there's tons of health benefits to dairy, tons of nutrients in there. The unfortunate thing is that we have a food grade issue with dairy. Um, there's really good quality and there's really low quality and then we have a lot of guts that cannot handle dairy. Like just we can't, um, at all. So yeah, I mean, just eat whole food as much as you can. And I mean, honestly, if just mostly whole food was most of your diet, most of the time, 80% of the time, whatever, um, most Americans would be doing so good. Like that's actually, like that would be, we'd be ahead of, we'd be ahead of the game. It's funny. It's just a lunch really guy talking, talking about this. And here's my unscientific analysis. I love these of, of all these of this is we live in a world where a lot of our food that you get at the grocery market has all sorts of additives and, you know, it's GMO. Yeah. Yeah. MSG's all that stuff. Yeah. Kind of thing. And life is so, life is a big one. And some of it is basically required by the government. Like you, you got to have like all the preservatives that put in our food is because you got to have X amount of shelf life that the government requires depending on. Can you tell that story? Is it or do you not want to tell it? The one of just the shelf life story that you told me from one of our sponsors? Or do you not want to share it? Oh, it's just, it's just a really good illustration. Yeah, yeah, yeah, good illustration or I don't know why they wouldn't want our elder battery sponsor. You got to support them. What is it? The Kings all right. Guys, there, no, is it Kings? The Kings Kings Ridge? I don't know very Kings Ridge faith that guys, it is so good. I am obsessed with it. The game. We played it very big. I'm obsessed with it. There's so, and it uses how it is like made by product like as it's made and itself has like a year or two shelf fiber. I forget the actual which is interesting. Hi, I'm Frank. He gave me up. He said I can't get it in the state or supermarket store because it doesn't have the preservatives that they want to be able to hit the shelf life the way they want to hit the shelf. Which of that isn't that dumb? Like that super great. That's really, but the point is like the government has required like these additional preservatives to be put in their food. I mean, if I'm going to space, I won't preserve it in my food. Sure. It's like, um, sure. So it's all in all our food and so our body is not only trying to digest just the same food stuff, but then we got all these additional preservatives that are meant to be preservatives in your body. I know that you got to fight off. Last two theory. I mean, you know, I don't know who knows what all these things are. Especially long-tiring food. Yeah. That's the thing. Our bodies are not that we have we have livers, we have we can detox, I suppose. Yeah. I feel like we can handle a lot of stuff. We can. It's not the day. Yeah. Some of the time, but I think you just constantly derlashed. We're just in this is more, we're using our one of the reasons that Americans are still. Yeah. Because it's just a cost. I do. That's right. And I don't have a, and I have a problem. My favorite bag of chips is cool ranch Doritos or or the lime chips for dip in the lime, whatever hint of lime, anything with the hint of lime in it. Please, please feed me. Um, and so I like, I don't have a problem with that, but, but that's become the norm of how we eat. That's why if you kind of think back to, you know, simplify things like what Annie was saying, it's like kind of nutrient-managed food, whole foods, stuff like that, you know, meat, potatoes, vegetables. I mean, basically God gave that, he gave us fruit and vegetables in the garden and herbs and all that stuff. And then when, um, when Adam and Eve fell and sin, then God killed, killed meat. Those are basic good whole foods to, to have most of, to kind of dominate most your diet. And of course, there's people who are allergic to this and this. And we can't address every situation. But, um, the, the point is, is like, eat more in a way that is maybe not plugging us full of preservatives and full of this additional kind of government engine, a government-inquired engineered food. And I think, I think, this is just basic step. And you'll, you'll, you'll feel a lot better in, in be able to, I mean, you won't be eating as much. That's funny because you eat, you want Dorito, you want more. It was designed that way. You know, but that's a whole other covers that yet. So, okay, I just realized we forgot something. I don't know what that looks like. Okay, we got five minutes. We finished up with the tracininal. It's really fast. The tracininal's, Becky are just like, very essential nutrients that our body need, but we only need them in little trace amounts. So small amounts. So these aren't the big ones. These are small things like iodine, salineum, maluterum, like those sorts of things. Um, being a copper, those are all examples when we do need them. Um, and they are essential, but we just need small little amounts. Now, I, I think they're important. Now, some of the ones I just listed off salineum, iodine, dink, those are, I mean, a lot of other things, very important to pirate health. And one of the reasons that we see, not the only, but one of the reasons that we see so many sluggish, um, underactive pirates is that we are not one way or another getting these tracininal's in our diets. We're just not. So, you know, and, and I think supplementing them makes sense at any thyroid met, um, supplement that's, um, a thyroid, uh, like usually they're called T4 or T3 conversion supplements. They have those exact things. Salinean Z, usually that you get incredible other thing because that's what the thyroid needs and we're just not getting them. So you can just go any, any supplement brand, like hearing calculations that you trust, they'll have one. You just trace metals. Um, and you can just take it and well, I don't like us, I like us to get as much as we can get from our food and not be like taking tablets and salmons. I think a trace mineral, you really can't go wrong and I think our food is more deplete of, and our soil is more deplete than it used to be. So I think you probably are going to struggle even if you're eating pretty well to get all of those things in. So a trace mineral supplement, but someone is probably a good idea. And like I said, it helps with thyroid health, um, hormone production, metabolism, oxygen, transport that they're pretty important. So, so yeah, I, I, I love that you asked that. And then I just wanted to say the last thing, what we were talking about, we, I skipped it. I don't know why. Um, nervous, nervous system dysregulation, like, how, how do we address this before or after weight training? Does this mimic or exacerbate anxiety? And I think you're asking about weight training there. So I, you know, if there was a really, really, really bad case of someone who's like a drennel and is pumping nonstop and it's like that. And you are like seeing a doctor and there was some wrong with your drennel that is not good. Maybe it was be good practice to pin any kind of formal exercise, besides maybe walking around in the sun a little bit, um, just for a bit, just because your body is doing so bad. But I would just say in general, if we're just talking about a general, maybe overstress mom body, which is moved mom bodies, I, um, appropriately done strength training. And that's a key is appropriately done is very low stress on the body. And, and the reason is, is that what we're talking about is lifting something very heavy three to five times, setting it down and then resting for three minutes. That's real strength trait. Okay, so quick stress when you're lifting the thing a few times, we'll good form ideally, set it down, rest, pretty dang low stress. What at the problem is is that high intensity strength training, you guys have purged my cell bugs, I miss has been marketed so hard to women that most of us, I must be no better and hopefully most of my listeners do by now. And that's one of the culture. When they think string training, they're like, Oh, hit class push ups. Okay. And your heart rate is through the roof and there's purfies in there. And I made it. They're sowing and even at you could even not have actually cardiovascular movements. You could have actually just drink training movements, lighter weight, higher reps, no breaks. That is more that stressful, that that stressful. So, I just want to be clear about that. I think that even if your stress management need some work in your bodies, I always tell women, even if they're in that boat, string train that like truly string train, which is quite less stress and walk. And I don't let them move on from that to any other more higher intensity plunge of exercise until that stress and that nervous system, you know, all these issues and neutrinals are doing a little bit better. A lot of times it is thought life and it's a lot saying that's true for everybody. So, me and maybe you got some thyroid stuff. So, me and maybe you need progesterone at night or you can't sleep and you can be hanged on you because of that. Sometimes it's combination of all these things, but I will say two biggies on the eye chart are thought life bad habits that you've got to break and that you need to sleep more. And some women have to actually overdo it on the sleep for season, 10 hours, which is busy. In order to really rest and recover and heal, then they can move back to what we've been doing. And I will say that. All right, thank you guys for tuning in. Make sure you share the show with your friends. Really appreciate that. It helps us and hopefully helps your friends. And so thank you for turning into water break. And for those, we can't wait to see you at our summit. And we'll see you in another week. Yeah, and thank you back you for the great questions. Bye guys.