Hey, oh, welcome to cross-politik on the fight life feast network where at Ampest 2025. It's good to be with you He got Choctonox waterboy Pasatobian. We got our good friend Kevin Freeman from I'm really blaze TV and all other sorts of content that you're producing everything what's the economic is with the economic or Economic or or pirate money radio on American family race. I know there's a number of names. That's why I didn't start there. Yeah, I can't remember them all But you've been kind of in this economic your shows economic war room. You've been the kind of this economic battle in America for I mean what 20 years? I mean, I know you kind of went through this you were this secret guy for a while You weren't allowed to talk about it. I would have been loud. That's correct all that stuff and for the CIA is that what it was? I actually did work with people in the CIA the CIA the FBI D.I. D. No, I didn't work. I don't do D.E.I. You do all the other three though and no ESG I'm against both And so one of the things that we've had you on the show over the years a number of times but I I got really interested in gold as right now is classified and categorized as a commodity and And and not right now as an exchange coin or what was the terminology just a second ago? A currency currency. Yeah, not as a currency Gold's been a commodity in our currency, but you've been working on a number of states Trying to turn gold into an actual currency in that state Oklahoma. I think Florida. I think a little bit of Idaho The winds we've had First was Utah vetoed by governor Spencer Cox second was Arkansas signed into law by governor Sarah Sanders And then Rhonda Santa's in Florida signed into law then governor Landry in Louisiana Governor Abbott in Texas and governor Keeho and Missouri. So we have five states signed in a law Gold is actually a currency. It is legal tender. You can use it as money. We're writing the rules now You pass the law then you got to go to regulators and get the rules written But we're in that process now sometime in 26 People in those states will be spending gold and silver as money as legal tender. So what does that do? Yes What does that do now that is currency what changes? Well a number of things change first off you got to Understand the history of this we lost gold as money starting in 1933 when gold was confiscated by FDR yeah, and then in 1971 when Nixon took us off the gold standard And then what happened to the IRS said what do we do with gold if people can own gold again starting in 1973 What do we classify it as it's not money because Money is federal reserve notes. So what do we clap we they called it either a commodity or a collectible And it has the highest capital gains tax rate because of that no long-term holdings no benefits you pay a capital gain So if you bought gold it you know two years ago or three years ago at $2,000 an ounce it's now $4,300 an ounce you go to spend it seller or whatever the IRS will come knocking at your door and say hey you owe a big capital gains tax But if it's legal tender and it's money and it's useful as functional as currency It should not be subject to capital gains under IRS code under us law it should not be so we're working with the president to get him to write an executive order That says it will not be So which means put this in practical terms you buy a 40,000-hour car with gold Let's say you take out the gold you buy a 40,000-hour car How much you paying on that capital gains also on that 40,000 hours you took out Well it depends if you bought it two years ago or more you're paying half of it Half of that $40,000 would be a capital gain then you owe 28% on that So $20,000 times 28% you're owe 5,600 dollars in tax just for the purpose of using your money Under this law you would not have to do that on the car not including the tax you pay on the car or the tax that the car Manufacturers paid or they employees that the car man. I mean there's taxes everywhere This takes one of those away and allows you to use gold and silver's money when we have 38 and half trillion dollars in debt The value of your dollars can to go down every year That's called inflation. So let me ask the question this way because We have a gold partner that has its Alps precious metal. Yep Alps Alps precious metal And their warehouse for lack of better words is in Texas where they store the gold Would that mean The gold that I have in Texas and invested in even though I live in Idaho would not be subject to capital gains Okay, Alps is gonna love me Okay, all the gold dealers love me when I tell them this the executive order that we're proposing to the president has a 1031 exchange Yeah, a lot of people will say you know under the system we created in Texas, Florida, Arkansas, Louisiana, and Missouri You have to have your gold on deposit at a state approved depository They'll regulate it. They'll look at it make sure the gold's real make sure it's a certain purity and all that So you can have a legitimate exchange through electronic means taking a debit card I've got my gold on deposit in a depository the state recognizes that they see it's real gold It's there and I go and I transfer it with a debit card from me to you I buy my nice cross-politics shirts from you. Yes. I pay and go all of them Then that's a legitimate transaction the states doing what the state ought to do which is Allowing free commerce and making certain I'm not cheating you and you're not legitimate. Yeah, it's legitimate You're not cheating me. I'm not cheating you. That's a legitimate state function, right? Uh Your gold dealers are going to love because you want to hold a bunch of that gold physically in your house You're going to store it in your safe Maybe in a shoebox under your bed. You want that gold in your possession But when you want to sell it you're going to want to put it into our system So that it can be spent like money and you don't have to pay a capitol Gainstacks when you transfer from you're holding to the state approved facility holding So a lot of people are going to buy gold From Alpine keep it in their house and then when they need it when they want to spend it and they may not want to spend it ever They may hold on to it forever. Yeah, but when they have a need I got to buy a new car I didn't expect new tires. I didn't expect my kid to have this problem They'll be able to transfer it into the system of and Not have to pay the capitol Gainstacks because they're using that gold and silver as money So you came in and you handed us these cards Saving civilization action network. What is this? Okay, saving civilization action network In times thing, isn't it well? No, it's maybe in times for America I have no idea Eschatological perspective. I have no idea. Jesus coming tomorrow or 10,000 years from now Or how that I'm not I'm not making predictions But I'm telling you this we're on a path to destruction in the United States of America It's a destruction of our own making but also the four Enemy so I called them in my next book if they're going to title the four horsemen of the American apocalypse And our six trials by fire and you'll notice the horses are different color They're similar and concept and idea and by the way you look at the actual four horsemen in revelation And there's an inflation aspect to it. There's a death and a conquering aspect to it There's similarities there But these four horsemen are communist China Which is number one which is infiltrated even the federal reserve We found they still are in electoral property. They're buying up our property They've inflated you go to I think it's university michigan where There were Chinese students that were carrying in bio weapons into the university The China has targeted the United States and I've done the work for the Pentagon on this economically and across the board So communist China that's the red horse the green horse is political Islam That these are the guys that say little cl Islam political Islam political Islam they're going to Bring a caliphate and they're going to commit jihad to establish a caliphate under sharia And there's a bunch of them out there Muslim brother and others who really believe this and want to see this happen There are threat to America and you see the terror killings that we've seen in various places that are tied to political Islam Then the third one is the globalists the world economic forum types the George Soros types who are secular in nature probably atheists demonic They don't realize that they're serving Satan but the demonic and Their goal is to bring the world economic form where you guys are no longer going to eat meat You're gonna eat bugs and like it and like it and you're yeah, oh nothing and like they know I'm gonna like it so weird yeah And then the last one of the traders and the cowards here in America that have been selling us out And they are all four of them Aiming at America to take down America because we're literally the world's strong man I mean, there's no other way to go you got to bind the strong man if you want to spoil the house and the strong man in the place in in between is The United States can we start at the bottom with the first one? I just want to say thank you for not having a black A horseman on here. I just want to say that That's no black. I know no black. So we're good But the traders and cowards who are the traders and cowards that you see there selling America out? Well Wall Street's a good example where Wall Street would sell out an American company and and Convince an American manufacturer. Oh, you got a manufacturer less expensively in China And so let's move that manufacturing to China and we'll invest in Chinese stocks and all that So Wall Street and Washington. I want to tell you one who sold us out 1971 when we left the gold standard and this is how these two tie in together All four horsemen were unleashed in 1971 when we left the gold standard Nixon realized there's nothing to prop up the US dollar anymore So everybody knows he went to Saudi Arabia and said we'll buy your oil and dollars in exchange We will use our military to defend the kingdom and you price all oil and dollars And you reinvest back in our treasury months that was an agreement. It's called the petr dollar that we made in 1973 It was Henry Kissinger. It was Bill Simon the win over and negotiated that what that also unleashed was a very strict Islamic Group in Saudi Arabia That invested in America built a lot of mosques and so forth Wahhabist and Salafiests that entered the United States with that money It unleashed a lot of money that supported a growth That we've seen there that was unleashed But what most people know realized that 1972 Nixon went to China Not solely to blunt the Soviet Union. That's what we've been taught in history But oh he went to China and Soviet unions Building up against this militarily and and so we'll we'll use China against Russia Now he also went there to say we will invest in your factories make you a most favored nation You'll use your cheap labor. We will take capital and invest it there. You will take Human capital and manufacture at lower wages and lower prices will ship cheap goods back to America Which will blunt our inflation problem and then you promise for 40 years that you will invest In the United States treasury bonds and they were the largest owner of US treasury bonds in 2013 they owned over 10% of our total debt You know they own about 2% of our total debt today They in 2013 the deal was up. We don't have to continue to buy American bonds and they've been reducing their bond holdings Ever since so he unleashed the Chinese threat in 1970 when the globalist threats also Klaus Schwab was running the European management forum Not the world economic forum. It was it was literally a chamber of commerce In euro and he decided we're leaving the gold standard Absolutely we can profit from this or we can control the world He turned it in the world economic forum recruited all the billionaires and brought the man So all those first three were unleashed by Nixon leaving the gold standard because we left the gold standard He had to shore up the money which is Luke 1611 unless you're faithful with your unrighteous man And no one will trust you with true riches. You sound like a fed to me Oh How did you get it? You know all this inside stuff How are you tracking all this? Well, I did work as a consultant to the department of defense for a couple of years and I began to study it But I also grew up my dad was a Constitutionalist. He loved the constitution he taught In Baptist churches in Oklahoma, but he was teaching you may have seen like the 5,000 year leap and the naked communists and all that written by Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, my dad was buddies with those guys He carried a lot of that into Oklahoma and so I got drug everywhere I went I had to study the Constitution No, Kevin on this list. I don't see Israel in the Jews Or Qatar What you see civilization right Can I their part of civilization right? I do want to get to radical Islam because I can see is from what you're talking about with the gold standard Kind of deals with kind of those other three horsemen, but does it This economic realities have any effect on dealing with political Islam as well or what's the answer to that? Well, I think the answer was like hey if you get back your money you can deal with the three of these horsemen Is that right? Yeah, but it also deals with the threat that radical Islam brings when a summer bin Laden Had the planes flown into the world trade center. He said it was an economic war The goal was death to America by a thousand cuts We will spend a hundred thousand dollars and they'll come back with five trillion dollars of spending to offset our hundred thousand dollars I see but you also see A group of the Muslim brotherhood you sooth all Kaur Adawi in 2008 said we're gonna break down the capitalist American capitalist system and show that Islamic finances superior You also see them calling for dump US treasury bonds and start buying gold And so all of this is happening around the world if we do what I shared earlier and present trump plans at executive order You know money gold from around the world will flood into the United States It will defund a lot of our enemies almost instantaneously because go where would you rather have your gold? I'd like it here and I'd like it in my home state of taxes. Let's stick it under the alamo and put Chuck Norerson guard hahaha Winning so then What it right now that it seems like as you're watching The Trump administration and how they're operating with big tech We're investing as a country into these companies now instead of actually like the chip deal We say okay, we'll build out a facility for you But now we're becoming shareholders that can't be good to help these four horsemen disappear Now in the long run I do not believe the government has a role to take the public money and create an investment pool out of it I know President Trump has endorsed that and he likes that and there's some potential Benefits and I don't want to say it's bad in every case But maybe it's bad in every case Yeah, I don't like the idea somebody sticks a gun in my face and says give me money And then we're gonna take your money and do this. I don't think that's the intention of the founders for the federal government I think the government is to make sure we have a level playing field to make sure that if we're doing gold transactions I'm not cheating you and if I am cheating you that you have a recourse against me that the government helps you And bring there's a fraud committed And they help you bring that case So I don't like the idea of the government picking winners and losing the economy it never works It was very poor in the Obama administration when they were funding all of the The green energy companies and when the government sticks in and says hey Ford motor You're we're gonna give you all these breaks. So you produce electric cars They end up losing money That it's bad for the economy. It's bad for the future. It's not the American way A minute ago when we were talking you mentioned um you weren't Um quite as critical of of tariffs As we might think yeah, what why why are you not as critical on why are you a coming on tariff from Because they're constitutional and they're allowed and because they were how we funded our country for the first You know up until 1913 with the income tax and because they're a blunt foreign instrument We have a tariff structure. It's a reality around the world And we were getting ripped off on tariffs other countries were charging higher tariffs than we were And so you've got to have the ability to be a bully and a fight back as and so use it as blunt foreign policy instrument rod Martin by the way is the one i read that helped me understand why this wasn't bad policy So shout out to rod Martin for his brilliant here is is but are our tariffs so there if we're gonna be say they're allowed constitutionally and historically they were used which is incontrovertible Um is it good economics? It is if other nations are using tariffs. I mean you don't have a choice at this point you're gonna charge me Yeah, you bring an i-fi bring a gun right at some point we have to be able to push back the largest Consumer goods and services on planet earth is the United States the largest consumer of goods and services in The United States is the United States government these are realities we have to deal with ideally You would have free trade across the board around the world, but people have to be fair about it explain real quickly um, but i understand a tariff even though it's uh attacks on imports Um, i pay the i'm gonna end up paying that so if i want to buy you know the dvd player from china Um, and there's a tariff on that i end up paying that because you know the whoever bought it whoever imported it from china It's got to recoup that cost and so if there's a bigger price tag on that dvd player that i bought from china Don't the people don't the United States aren't we the ones paying that ultimately? Well, you know actually since the tariffs have been put in place It's not shown up like that exactly and the reason but that's short-term economics long-term economics you always end up paying the tax well All right, so let's say china is producing we have a thriving dvd industry here in the united states Because that takes And and china decides that we're going to Create and dump enormous amounts of dvd players below cost to drive you out of business And when we do that we'll take over and control the market well all right What about rare earth minerals? What if we're going to ruin your we're we're going to do economic warfare We have a thriving rare earth mineral creation here in the year We're mining them refining them and so forth We need them for the future economy We're doing that and china comes in says we're just gonna cut the cost so much Offer them dump them to your industry collapses And by the way, we're going to fund the environmental groups to make sure you never mind them or refine them again And we're gonna buy up politicians How do you deal with that remove the regulations for the people that are here so they can operate freely and compete You can and you still wouldn't solve the economic problem because they're offering them here Ten cents on the dollar for price until they run it out. Why can't we run the same game on them the opposite way Because we can't produce it the labor cost that they Well, that's because we have left regulationists stops us from being able to be creative in our free markets Fritz does a free market we're a communist. Yeah Well, you expect communist communism to win and a free market they're doing that from If we're acting economically and they're acting In an economic warfare geopolitical fashion You have to recognize what they're doing and you have to find a decent way to respond historically Under the constitution one of the blunt instruments you can use is tariff And so I'm not opposed to the use of tariffs. Do we ultimately want to get to a true free market? Absolutely and if all nations will abide by that absolutely but there are time when you you put restrictions and regulations in For foreigners and yes, you'll end up Necessarily paying but you'll end up paying even more if you wipe out the rare earth Industry and it's in the long term you wipe it out and then you're subject to them and there's no way to to respond to it So it is something that I give him a pass on if the goal is to get to true, we want to export freedom and not import communism So on the other side of this card you gave us economic justice board. What is this? This is a proposal. We've also taken to the president We're working with people at Liberty University. We've had conversations with Heritage Foundation America first policy and suit and others It's an idea hatched in the economic war room to promote an alternative to Maldonnie So I mentioned the four horsemen in the American apocalypse, right? We start with communists check Yeah, then we said islamist check Then we said globalist check then we said trader and coward check That's now the mayor of New York why young people feel that they have no on ramp to the American dream I got to be 40 years old before I can buy a house and by the way I got to get married And I'm not I have to delay having kids because I want to buy a house and all this You know Charlie Kirk would tell you get married young and have as more kids than you can afford right Why don't people do that because they feel they've been shot out Why they've been shut out because we left Gold and silver as a standard for money and the money supply is grown and we've we've literally seen inflation So that what cost me as a kid 10 cents now costs three dollars in the candy bar Hershey bar So we need to promote affordability. How do you get that you get sound money? You reduce regulation 50 amortages You give up. I don't like your mortgages That's just debt and slayment where you're paying it off for 50 years to the 30 years. No, I don't like that But that's not true. So affordability we've got to recognize there's a serious problem and come up with short-term Solutions and long-term solutions to help with the affordability, but not 50-year mortgages Regulation we just reduced regulation on building house you'd lower the house cost just regulation alone Just regulation alone. I mean, if you don't mandate gas stoves But you can get the cheapest stove or mandate electric soves in a guest state you can get the cheapest You drive the cost of housing down. Wait is that regulated that they force electric stoves inside houses? It was it was it has been yeah, that's stupid. Yeah, it is stupid All right, here's another thing if you if you close the border actually yeah Uh, you're gonna have fewer people demanding housing You have cheaper housing prices and maybe young people will have more babies and you eliminate abortion And guess what you don't have to bring in so many immigrants We're stealing from our own future and doing it by importing people Those two things what's one more thing to make things more affordable to work for the young for Gen Z well Charlie would say you don't necessarily have to go to college If you want to be an engineer, I think it's a good idea to be an engineer You're probably ought to go to college, but Gender studies make absolutely no sense. So let's not The solution to student loans is not making free college the solution is getting people to make economic decisions before they enter college And so that you address student loans you address automobile prices you address gasoline prices you address Wages you address money all of those things can be wrapped up in the regulation I didn't understand the education. That's really good. All right, so that that is the the first thing you then we have reward People need to see if I work harder. I mean you go the pilgrims at Plymouth and you say there's no reward if you work harder Oh, I'm not working harder. These are good Christian men. These are the pilgrims They're better than they're better in so many ways than we are today in terms of dedicated I'm not working harder if I'm not getting a reward. We've got to have a reward society The harder do you work the more you achieve the more you're rewarded they tried that it didn't work Yeah, yeah, they tried socialism that thanksgiving wasn't the first year under socialism It was the second year under free markets. Yeah, that's when they had thanksgiving. Let's go Then the third thing that you've got to do is you will have a wealth cap not as bad under free market capitalism as it is under socialism By the way animal farm teaches the pigs had everything. It's not as bad But it there's still a wealth cap because there are differences in outcomes. Yeah We need equal opportunity in different outcomes, but then you see people you I have a brother in need What does the bible tell me to do with a brother in need? You meet that need. Yeah, I don't want to gotten pointed. I'm not a cheerful giver on April 15th But I am a cheerful giver at Christmas time when I see someone in need and I'm able to give to them If we will bring Jesus Christ back into the lives of people They'll realize that the money that they're storing up They're not supposed to be storing up don't store up riches here on earth We're moths and ruts a story and thieves breaking and steal you do three things with your money You need to earn it earn as much as you can Save as much as you can or invest as much as you can and give as much as you can. Oh, that's John Wesley Earn as much as you can save as much as you can give as much as you can when we become cheerful givers and obey the word of God The wealth gap problem disappears because we see the need of another and not just will give them money But we'll give them opportunity. Yeah, we'll meet the real need Give everybody your website where they can check out what you're doing and watch your show. Oh, there's so many different websites There's the economic justice board.com. There's there's scan HQ.com. There's pirate money book.com But the main one I guess will be economic war room Economic and if you sign up for our free battle plan there will send you one email a week that says this is what we're Topic we're covering on the show and you'll get a solution PDF it's a it's like a newsletter free newsletter that says here's how you fix it for your family Here's what you do for your family given the challenge that we have Sure, so you can't even think of coming on the show. Thank you very much. Thank you. All right. God bless