It's time for truth, a ministry of truth family Bible church in Middle tonight at home. It's time for truth exists to glorify God through the edification of His saints in our local church and for the benefit of the church around the world. I'm your host Pastor Danny Steinmeier. Well, hello everyone. Welcome to another episode of the podcast. Thank you for joining us once again. We are just so glad that you have made us part of your day and we thank you for your continued support and listening to this. So we prefer not to talk to nobody. So it's really great to have people that listen. That's always a plus, right? It's always a plus. But in studio once again Pastor Gay Render, Stone Mountain Baptist Church. And we probably will release this episode before a second episode that we recorded already with Aaron Dags. Aaron is a member at Stone Mountain Founding member at Stone Mountain Baptist Church. And there'll be an episode with him talking about his testimony and his story about coming to Idaho and all these and the multigenerational vision that he has for him and his family and the legacy of his family in Idaho here. So stay tuned for that and look forward to that episode dropping. But we thought we'd go ahead and have Aaron join us. One day will be known as a church father. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Early church father. Yeah. And so we thought it would be great to have Aaron stay with us. And we wanted to talk about some news and current events. You know, we've been going through the 1689 and we could have could have done one of those episodes as well. But we thought, you know what, there's a lot going on in the world and we haven't talked about some current events for a while. And this past Lord's Day, we saw in Minneapolis at I believe it's called Cities Church in Minneapolis. We had the Don Laman protest. We'll call it the these these protests. That's what I'm saying. Inseoraction. These terrorists who entered who entered a church during their during their service in order to agitate in order to yell and disrupt it in order to shame and to intimidate these people that were simply doing Lord's Day worship as is custom for the people of God. And so we wanted to just talk about that. We wanted to talk a little bit about our our posture and disposition towards such things. Not really talk about specifics in terms of how we would necessarily the other cheek and take it. Yeah. Well, let's talk about that. But we want to we want to just talk about that and maybe give a little bit of our initial reaction. Some things that maybe we we saw and things that we need to consider now as the church as this was somewhat of a weather balloon. This is the left trying to see what how far they can push the boundary and whether or not any consequences will come from that. And so I thought we'd go ahead and just start off with what we're well, let's start with let's start with Aaron Aaron. What were some of your thoughts when you saw this report and the stories and the videos that came out of Minneapolis? Yeah, I think you know, you know, kind of just the broader everything that's going on in Minneapolis and in nationwide. Obviously this is like a tipping point. You kind of pointed that out. I think it's just it's a battle for whose country is it? Who is it? The guy is storming the church and yelling at people worshipping God. Is it their country or is it the people sitting in the pews right and worshiping God like their fathers did? That's that's really how I see it. And I think are you saying coexisting is a yeah coexisting yeah those two cannot live with one another right? So I think that's the battle and I'm hopeful. I feel like Trump is slowly working up the courage to do what he has to do. I will he go will he actually go through with it and I read some on the National Guard. Yeah, yeah, I mean it really is like you can't the things you see at a Minneapolis, right? This is obviously you know the worst of it, but it's everywhere. I mean I wouldn't want to be anywhere in Minneapolis right now, right? I mean officers right and I was talking to give about this recently, but one in this church, but also attacking officers, why is it why are we why is it such a big deal when somebody kills a cop or something is because that by killing that cop that is an agent of the state. That is a that is us right he represents all of us. So by attacking that person or by attacking an ice officer, what you're doing is that is an attack on the United States. Yeah, that's a common authority. Right. It's not one particular person. This person represents our country, right? And so that's so this is just right and they're going to keep going, right? If Trump doesn't do anything, if it's just keep slaps on the wrist, I know that guy William Kelly is the one who was yelling. He did get arrested today. I think I did hear that. So thankfully. So I'm interested to see how that turns out. If it's just like we arrested him. We need a conviction. We need I mean, this guy needs to go to jail for a long time at the minimum. Yeah. The way he talks, the way he's talked to those people, the way he continued to talk and just taught, right? You know, Pam Bondy and he's lucky to have teeth. Yeah. I mean, really. Yeah, obviously. So yeah, for me, I just see it as right. It's that these things are going to keep happening because there is a battle going on. Right. Who's country is it? Is it the Smolans with the leering centers? Or is it quality quality leering? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Is it them? Or is it? Or is it? Honestly, that girl sitting in church drinking her coffee. Right. That like those things can't coexist and it's coming to a tipping point. So I'm I'm sure to see how it turns out. That's why we have a lot of these images seared in our brain from this past, you know, 12 months, you know, I can't get the picture of arena Zorutseka like out of my brain. Like I can see her there. And again, immigrant like the whole different story there. But like, but like I can't that's seared in my brain, right? Same thing with with Charlie Kirk's assassination. Like these are tipping points for sure. One of the things you said before we started, you know, on the podcast before the podcast is, is this is like a toddler throwing a temper tantrum waiting to see if you're going to spank them and actually fall through a discipline. And I think you're 100% right is that they're going to keep pushing the envelope running over ICE agents invading churches until we actually enforce the law. So this face act, I only knew about the face act. It was I mean, I was a a a youth when it actually was passed because I was a during the George W Bush administration with a with a Democrat Congress as my understanding of it when it actually was implemented. And but it was designed to protect abortion clinics originally. And that actually the the the concession that was made in order to get Republicans on board to help pass it was to say if we're going to protect abortion clinics from abortion protesters trying to stop murder by the way, which is a very different thing. They are they they went ahead and added the the church and the religious institution clause that actually gave the same sort of protection. So what we're doing and what I want to be came aware of it was a couple of years ago during the Biden administration is when they went after when they went after a abortion ministry individuals, a lot of some of them were yeah, were older senior citizens who would be outside of abortion clinics. Now I don't know I had heard that one of them they actually kind of were sitting in an entrance in like in a hallway sort of praying, but not necessarily prohibiting and not going inside first of all not going inside, but on the property, but on the property and not but also not blocking. Now maybe now maybe you could argue intimidating and so forth. But again, it's it's it was again designed to protect murder from to allow protect the people going in for murdering to do that, which is which is wild. But with that also came this protection. The issue is is this going to be enforced like the left is going to like is head of an abortion. The biggest problem. It's a big deal. Massive deal. It would have been major news and all that type of stuff. But the the issue is is that the the we have to begin to see the right actually wield political power to to deal with our enemy. So some are you actually need to spank the toddlers. You actually need to use force. You actually need to use the law. And and so if there were no people were you better start arresting people and people have been pointing out within just a couple of days of January six, it was all over the place and the FBI is involved in all these types of things. You have to actually demonstrate a willingness to defend your people and defend the people who voted for you as beyond that. But it's so super important. Glad to see that there has been some arrests. The the big news from the from conservative ink this week is the people calling for pan-bandy to to put up or shut up and or to resign because where are the arrests? Where is the where is the actual like the the the wonderful excuse me the wonderful thing about Republicans is their ability to investigate and and this I saw this I remember this as a young person too during the Bush administration and then nothing ever happens. And but yet the other side is is far more well like we're so afraid of how people are going to think of us if we actually use power when when the gave just drank out of Aaron's I did sorry so it's pretty much gone any controversy but anyway so they've I basically you guys do you guys do common cup any we do we're prepared our immune systems are one I I lick the before I hand it to every week yeah that's glorious new people don't like it I don't know why I want to come to Stone Mountain Baptist we lick cups just kidding all right all right little little little extra there yeah but we got it we got to see the we have to stop caring about what the left thinks about us and and we that they need to be dealt with now they're they're pushing what what they're what all the liberal women want at least on paper is they want a civil war right that that's what that's what they want to yell into their phones that's what they want to scream into their into their phones and their cars that they they are wanting well they were their handmade still costumes yeah yeah but but we but it but if they want it like we actually have to step to them and actually let let them know that we're serious against them and that that's got to be that so we need the government to do their job they don't actually want that no no and it's not it's it's it's not a not truly a fair fight if if we have the the government doing it to duty as a deacon of the Lord to to make evil doers fear yeah that's what needs to happen so yeah to even more thoughts from you game yeah I mean ultimately this is a test I think of our our nerve our collective nerve our our fortitude you know I think the traditional or at least the assumed traditional stances well Christians is what you do you just you you bow to persecution you know I'm I'm as much a fan of church history as anyone when it comes to looking at the martyrs and hailing them I mean I love church history but we also recognize that church history is full of martyrs who are martyred for the faith specifically in light of other Christians martyring them right so as Catholics oftentimes martyring the the Protestants for example it's a very different dynamic but we also have a rich heritage of people like the Scottish Covenanters who actually did resist or the Huguenots in French and even our own founding of our nation is largely built upon the concept of being able to defend oneself as a Christian for love of neighbor and and so in much the same spirit I do think that we've indoctrinated the modern church into the sort of this wussy empathetic I just need to bend over for anyone if they want to hurt my family it's honestly for the best example I can think of right now is that terrible article that that pepper wrote a few years ago someone breaks into my house and tries to murder my wife I'm gonna let him because at least he'll survive to hear the gospel that is hatred of his wife absolutely and that is the mindset that is infiltrated the church and I think we saw it unfortunately on display there's I think the pastor had was commendable on some level but honestly I think we what we witnessed was a bunch of men that didn't know what to do and they did not stand up and so my my first impression was looking at this was like why did they even have time to get to the front of the church like something isn't miss right but I think that's that's that's the air they breathe that's the air that Christian he breathes that's the air that the church breathes is that we're not allowed to defend ourselves ever and I think we need to change that mentality yeah I don't I don't want to speak poorly about the church I think that they were caught off guard I think that they were I thought that's pastor yeah and I don't mean to know I know you don't I think I think he handled himself nobly responsibly he was he recognized this is not okay this is shameful there was so I could I could appreciate that and he wanted them to leave and he wasn't trying to just tolerate them but what I just the way that I think of it and the way I view it going forward I'd like to have thought I'd like to think that if I was surprised I would have we'd still handled the way I think about it now premeditatively is I just have I had when I saw all of it I had so much more of a righteous indignation that would be much more oh no we're not doing this we're not doing this little little children right and so I would have much more of a because I think we have Gabe I think we have a little bit more of a patriarchal and more a church militant attitude and approach that we already we've already we view ourselves more as as combatants in the in the world for the sake of the kingdom of God that I think other people and other churches they're just they're just they're just they're just they're just worshiping Jesus they're just there to worship Jesus and but I think we see the holistic more of a holistic idea of who we are as citizens of who we are as as fathers as churchmen that and have a more robust I think worldview as a whole that's where after in our in our bodies and in our creations we're not nostic we actually want to apply the gospel to our families to our community to our community and so what I'm hearing you say is like our our belief in God necessitates us taking certain actions and situations like this for love of neighbor right well so I would treat I would treat the situation in the church in the same way that I would have that I would view it if someone came into my house yeah okay this is this is we're truth family Bible Church this is the family of God this is our church family and so if someone comes in to uninvited with the intention of intimidation of shaming of of any of those types of things we're going to meet that with them with a much more a much more oppositional frame of of response that is not just that that's not just simply we don't like what you're doing and this is shameful but no we will not tolerate this if someone walks into my home and thinks that they're just gonna act like they run the place and they're gonna shame me for whatever we're doing here that is not gonna happen and I want that to be the attitude of every man in the church no way over my dead body if necessary are we gonna allow you to come in here and do this and so I think we I just had a little bit more of us disappointment to see how it seemed like people these people came in yelling and screaming and and and and protesting and and shaming and and they all can so many people as so many men took it yeah yeah I don't think I don't think we should be taking that at all oh do you think I air yeah I think yeah I'm right there with you guys I don't I don't blame them for anything how they actually you know I'm not you know I'm with you I like to think I'd act differently you know but for me growing up right I grew up constantly right violence is never the answer yeah never the answer so I'm not confident these guys would even get their wives to back them up if they had you know beat beaten up some guy right because we have such an aversion to like in one I think yeah I'm not I'm just I'm just spitballing here on what you know might happen I'm just saying on a cultural level that what happened whether it was in the church or not so as me growing up right it's always violence is never the answer and I think for me what I'm trying to figure out and you guys as passing me a question for you is is trying to teach my sons what does a controlled violence look like in that because one you don't want to just be some guys in there and just meet them at their level and just go crazy on them but you also don't want to do nothing so I think there's a little bit of that yeah that's happening in the background why we see because like I can totally I see those guys like they don't even know what how to rise to that and what is that appropriate because we because our level has been never right where when is violence and say well my first grade teacher my mom everyone told me never the answer even if this guy screaming in my face so I think there's a bit of that and I think that's something we're gonna like have to do as fathers you know as you guys passers is helping guys to understand what does that violence look like you know because I think that we've come around in a society that just says it's never okay and we've lived in a society where we thought us worshiping a church was a place that was safe right when it's obviously not at least from being in Christendom like a church at least was a safe place to be people at least had common respect to like well we're not gonna attack the church churches were sanctuaries even in places of war if you went into the church we leave you alone right yeah that's gone Christendom is gone right so what I was what I would say to that I think make a good point the the issue comes down to a couple of things one biblically just individual personal insults we are not to respond respond violently that's the that's the context of turning the other cheek where it's not just simply it's not just simply taking personal vengeance and and escalating to insults or individual personal of fronts however we do need to recognize that the that biblically speaking and by design what men are for and being that we are we are made to be defenders were were made to be strong so that we and and the ability to wage war is is meant for the the caring for the people who are behind us so when when we have a situation where look I don't know what these people intentions are what at level of they're gonna escalate I don't I'm not talking about a inappropriate escalation violently necessarily what I am talking about is this will not be tolerated and to whatever means is needed to to put down the threat and the invasion of of of a place of worship again I view it as the same as my house I can I defend my house look I love I I I was angered to see the several people online communicate on how pastors telling pastor I don't know if they were pastors but telling pastors what they need to be doing pastors need to be to be teaching your people how to be prepared for persecution meaning how to be how to how to how to take it to shut up and how to just take it and it's a very it's a very convenient thing to say especially because at this at this particular time no one was raped no one was killed no one was maimed no one was shot but we need to appreciate a little bit more persecution is but but beyond that when someone comes into my home to persecute my family you write up the John Piper article yeah that was shameful that was disgusting and and many people dismissed him and lost all respect for him because of that poor level of discernment and approach to the family but the we you know and we have in our country the recognition of the Second Amendment and the ability to defend yourself against tyranny and against evil threats and yet and yet it's some of those same people are like yeah we have the Second Amendment but make sure you never use it yeah that's so what what what do we believe and I think that the issue is when you when when you're defending your church and defending your home and and the other people that are there as fathers as husbands as patriarchs as as church leaders that that that they are to be demanded you are to leave now and if you necessary we will help you leave and if you want to escalate further then we will we will gladly meet you and we'll beat and and and we'll beat you at your escalation you think you're gonna escalate to to do damage to us we want to assure you that you've miscalculated and that's the attitude and approach that I think we should have it as I'm speaking as a pastor like like Don Don Lemon comes up to me puts a microphone in my face and wants to question me and make me account for for the arguments that are being made by the protesters that have invaded my church Don get out of my face you leave right now and if you don't do an about face and turn I will help you yeah I will help you but you don't this is not a debate this is not an interview you are leaving immediately I would not have given I like I bless the guy I think he's a good good man a good pastor me but well-meaning he was caught off guard and maybe he would do it differently given another opportunity I would like to believe that if Don my shows up in my face that Don that Don gets the smell of my breath in his face and is telling him get out now and if you and if you don't I hope you have a good dentist because we're that's the direction we're heading because I mean business and we're not messing around and and so I demand that because this is a threat you've invaded the church these are these are I mean even the pastor said like these are my people I need to attend to my ten of my people yeah I'm gonna attend to my people and I'm gonna do it through you getting out of this building and that's the spirit that I that I seek to have and I think it's been justifying yeah absolutely I mean what one of my favorite memes I saw this we know that's no opinion yeah just that little bit somewhat up what I've heard me as I saw this this week though was was Friar Tuck in like the animated Robin Hood with his staff driving them out like get out of the this the house of God but they gave him like the dark Maga ice it was great and he's like flaming red eyes but uh but no there's a sense like we are called to shepherd and protect what does Christ do he has a shepherd's rod right to strike down the walls and there is a sense in which we we we recognize the leading aspect but not the protecting aspect there was there was a time at my former church where we had a kind of a crazy street preacher show up and he's on the steps trying to hand tracks to women and and children on the way out and I met him where he was at and we had a lively debate on the front steps and some of the people at that church did not appreciate that my voice was raised at different points and that is sort of the the henpecking sort of resisting of well intended well intended always but it's like what do you expect me to do when this man literally comes in here and he's trying to entice children away like the only response that we have is to drive them away from this place and to confront them right and meet them on that now did I throw hands no did I did I get right in his face and meet him where he was and I said you are not welcome absolutely so one of my heroes I don't remember even the guy's name do you remember I believe he was Russian in 2020 or 2021 in Canada yes yes remember they came in out the police the police came in because I think it was masks I don't remember the reason why the covid stupid it was covid it was trying to make him shut down they came into the church for whatever whatever reason and he went ballistic get out get yelling get out and he forced them out yep and that's it that's the that's that was my spirit animal right that that was the guy that's the guy though I'm like yes you you you do not get to come in here and get and get out and that's the type of approach that I think the tables over energy absolutely you know we and we need more pastors with that sense of no it will not happen yeah and that's let sometimes that's what fathers have to have they have to have that that zeal and that fire in their belly and their eyes and in their voice that like hey we find our chest voice and we and we let everybody know this is not acceptable and and and it's it's not going to continue yeah one way or another but I'm going to force you out yeah absolutely and again what we're not saying here is that there isn't an appropriate time for us to take the we do need to be wounded right so for example we go do evangelism or pride festivals right that's a very different scenario now I'm on their territory in a sense that's right I'm invading their event and they're going to ridicule and escalate new things I'm not going to meet that right in that moment the way I handle that situation is me very different than if they're showing up at my church they're showing up on my church and if they're outside doing their thing that's a different scenario but if they enter my doors and they are now inside my gathering when we are trying to worship the triune God and you have the audacity to interrupt our worship to interrupt our sermon or singing whatever whatever part we're at when we're looking the cup whatever it is right if you have the audacity right to do that that is a completely different scenario now when we're standing I've had people blow whistles on my face you've members of your church I mean that have been treated absolutely horrible by some of these people and we take it there we take it there because we know that we are on a neutral ground and that we are trying to have a debate and we are more willing to waste and we're doing so in the public I'm willing to be persecuted quote unquote there where I'm not willing to be persecuted is that the expense of my house family in my home with my sorry no thank you right and children exactly we're derelict of duty I think by we're not protecting our family in that case and so I think I'm with you 100% the the right response in that in that setting then is to create a physical barrier to intimidate by posture to again you don't have to go straight to blows you don't even have to go straight towards but to physically create a barrier and between you and particularly the women and the children and and be a force to disrupt their walking they should have never made it to the front of the church if we're responding correctly we should have been blocking the aisles women and children you know in the middle men blocking the aisles like no what are you guys doing right and it's easy for us to say that I mean we wouldn't we'd be caught off guard as well you know we each have different scenarios but ideally we need to get over this concept that Christians are just the dormant to be stepped on that is not the Christianity of our forefathers and it certainly isn't even the Christianity of the book of Acts they turn the world upside down there was riots breaking out wherever they went why because they're passive dormats no because they weren't afraid to get whooped you know and get thrown back out on the on the steps so it's we we've lost that within Christianity and again I'm not arguing for militant Christianity in that sense right we need to get a sense of what fathers are for there it is we need to get a sense of what fathers are for we we talk about patriarchy look the this is one of the challenges of I think complementarianism complementarianism is a third way to pacify men to it's feminist leaders men ultimately yeah yeah well it's that yeah it's that pacification where you just you don't want to be the worst thing in the world is to be seen as an authority and to be seen as authoritarian as a friend and the reality is your fashion standing we need men to know what they're for look we talk about what we speak women are for yeah but we'd also need to understand what men are for and what men are for with our strength and with our resolve and with our natures we are to be defenders of our people and and that requires our our wisdom and our backbone our spine to stand up to those who would who had threatened that doesn't mean we don't have also meekness and we understand what it means to be mild and gentle and compassionate with people by all means but we but we also know what we are what we are for and we recognize that that is also Christ like which is to defend your own and defend your people and defend the house of God and all those types of things yeah well and Dex I have a question for you I want to get your input as as a layman right as a churchman here one of the things Dany and I've talked about before and I think I think maybe it was I think it was the Arden guys did a did a podcast on once but the idea that we need to prepare our wives to let us fight like that that they the natural tendency of our wives and of women in general is that they're going to want to intervene to either fight like men alongside us which is wrong or they're going to want to try and hold us back from engaging in the brutality of being a man and so one of the things that I've sought to do and I've had really good conversations with my wife and my wife I I'm so thankful for her you know she she especially when it comes to the abortion thing like she'll watch these videos or she'll hear conversations I have and like I mean I believe women shouldn't be in those environments typically any way just for their own protection but I also tell people like I don't bring my wife to those things for your protection as well because she would probably get violent so but how do we as men I guess encourage that in our household to like how do we show and teach and disciple our wives that there is a time for you just to trust me to go fight the war and and I just be curious because I know that you've given your background and we'll hear it on the next episode right the kind of your history and background and becoming you know saved later in life really and and really formulating I've had conversations with you before about really like establishing kind of patriarchy in your household from from the inception from engagement how what did that discipleship process look like you know in your own marriage and what would be your encouragement to you men that are maybe trying to disciple their wives towards that well I mean for me I guess I feel like I have it easy because her my father-in-law was you know a good Christian man right so that's I think that's number one where it starts right it's just in my experience right I then I'm I guess I've been married five years now so I think it's it's just you know for me it's just about being about it and being genuine about it I think kids and our wives can can you know smell like you know in authenticity basically right and so it's not just any I think it's just doing it in one sense where they like it or not and there's a security that comes with that I speak like for my dad right you know me personally I've never been in a fight right so I'm not gonna pretend like I've gone around finding people that's just right right yeah and but like my not since I was 11 yeah yeah exactly yeah but for me I've grown up it was like you know my dad always felt I never saw him fight anybody but it always felt like he could like any moment like my dad could take yeah like oh yeah like but because just like an attitude in the way you carry himself in that so I think yeah that violence is going to come from for women no matter what right and so if I if you know for that question I just say you know it goes from everything in the house I'm feeling like you have control over the house you have control over you know in over the domain and being able to protect it and that being genuine right and that starts with everything whether that's leading the family and in worship and those kind of things I think those actually do lead up to yeah I'm uncomfortable with violence because I'm a woman but I trust you because I know you're a god of the man so that's if I'm just thinking you know obviously I feel like I had it pretty good because my wife grew up in that right so obviously that's the ideal well I would say I would say there's an ideal mayor yeah I would say I would say that that we should probably help our wives to not only watch check flicks but to watch Westerns with us nice and what I mean by that is I think it's helpful if if women have an appreciation again for what men have done and what men are for and and are to do and so that even look and even you don't always win I'll be fine either no so but but the issue is sometimes they're nursing our we need we need our women to support who we are and what and when we fight and when we and and whatever that looks like it doesn't not talking all this early blows but I'm talking about in in in being masculine and in fulfilling the masculine role husbands husbands run on appreciation husbands run on respect and so and interestingly that's what God tells women to show their husbands to respect and and so but not but I think actively I think also just having a sense of of that if if they're men in their in their wisdom even need to be violent for the sake of for the sake of the family for the sake of defense whatever that looks like I think that women should be well prepared look if if you take a stand and you go to jail that should not be a shameful thing for for a wife to to to feel it ought to be it ought to raise up pride yeah and and so I think we want our wives I think we want I I want to say as often as I as I can we want strong women but it's not the strong of feminism it's the strong of patriarchal women who who love masculine men and respect them and have their back and don't and don't shame them and don't you know don't don't mother them and scold them and you know do you really think that was like actually just stand behind stand behind them and that is such that's give them something to fight for and that's and that's steel into into your husband's spine and it gives him him hope and and drive and love those that's a beautiful thing when when when women and men function well and appreciate each other's roles and that's not to say that there'll never be a time where one of our wives needs to pick up a tent peg you know like it's not the men's outside of the of the purview but what's normative like normatively speaking wives are built to support men are felt are meant to take take dominion and fight right no I love I love the my daughter's middle of jail yeah I love I love the women that carry I love the I love that my my my daughter forever has loves to carry multiple knives at any one like it there is a but there is a strength of of individual character and a love for you because they're defensive as well right the mom of air is a very defensive concept of women it's a bit and it's rightly ordered it's a beautiful thing but it is it is a matter of also recognizing that that your husbands have been designed for a very special in particular role and whenever that gets filled you know support your man yeah right I think more often where this plays out for the average you know couple as well it is not going to be like the oh there's some guy on the street trying to attack us and and mug us and my husband beat him up I shouldn't you know brow beat him for for being a man like most of us that's not going to be a scenario where I think this plays out more often in the church even in more patriarchal and reformed communities it is typically when it comes to just things like words like your husband gets into a debate with someone and just having the the wherewithal to say you know up this isn't my place to interject my husband's got this I'm actually going to show disrespect like I don't trust him to handle it if I interject into this argument and so I see this a lot online too like the the amount of women that are just engaged with even pastors like just commenting on pastors are you saying the most women online are retarded? I'm saying that most women online should not engage frankly speaking like and I'm sure glad you clarify yeah we'll believe that out what no we don't do that mark mark can you can you believe that if I say no anyway no but genuinely speaking like this is something that's very controversial even in like the reforms strong community particularly with the the complementarian and again it stems from complementarians don't recognize the women have a unique nature right it's just a role it's just a suit that they put on that they're the submissive one no it's their nature and by nature they shouldn't be the ones waiting into to debate I actually have a lot of respect what they need to lean into exactly they they are designed for a glorious purpose have a lot of respect for one of the ladies she's associated with abolitionist rising she posted something on on X where she basically like hey I've realized I've been waiting into a lot of arguments and I've been becoming masculine in the way I defend even when I'm talking about the abortion issue and I've realized that that's not a feminine way for me to behave and so I'm gonna be like backing out I'll also part my brothers when they say good things I'll share what they're saying but I'm not gonna be directly arguing as much because I've realized that that's not what I'm made for and I was so encouraged by seeing that like the fact that that is a discussion in the online world and just in the church in general I think it's healthy for us to reclaim but that sounds wild the offensive to the even the conservative Christians out there so teaching our our daughters I think to understand what it means to be a godly woman is gonna be paramount for the next generation yeah something like Titus 2 about loving your husbands like that that would be that would be like my advice for the for the for the women and for the households to cultivate is a is a mutual love and support for what each one is designed for and contributes to the household so so husband so wives especially supporting your husbands believing in them complimenting respecting just you know favoring in various ways it's just it's it's it's wind in your husband's sales but we'll turn around to the men too like hey appreciate your wives for the fact of all that they contribute to your children into your household and and when when that's a well-oiled machine when both make it easier for them to do that yeah yeah yeah all those things so I think that that household is a powerful powerful societal engine if we will function and and live in the way in which God designed it to and bring in a full circle to something you said the very beginning I think that is the core you're like who's whose country is it is it the crazy leftist that are storming in here acting like tyrants and children having you know panic attacks and tantrums or is it or is it the people sitting there that are just trying to be normal like right like what is normal right is that is that offensive this is I think a battle the begins gotta be defending yeah this is a battle begins in the household normalizing what it looks like to be a man what it means to be a woman what the household should be what is normative that is where it all has to start and I think if we are cultivating in our churches in our own homes a love for what the Bible defines a household to be this is a problem that largely fixes itself in a generation or two if we're faithful that doesn't mean we don't act now we don't train now we don't equip now we don't take action now absolutely yes and amen but we also need to be faithful to trust that our children are going to be in a better position to handle this problem than we were because we're equipping them in ways that our parents didn't equip us yeah that's good point well I think that's good for our discussion today and so that's all the time that we have for truth today we want thank you for joining us until next time we hope that you will grow in your love and commitment to Christ and His church as we are sanctified in the truth God's word is truth Yeah