Welcome to the podcast! Come be part of the conversations that happen around my kitchen table. He's John Brandion and he's been a stand up comic for more than 30 years. She's a man to McKinney and she's been my daughter for her whole life. Our family believes laughter is a gift from God. We often discover it while discussing culture, faith and family. So go ahead and pull up a chair neighbor. Can I call you Carl? There's plenty of room here for you. Hey Carl. Hey Carl. You're good. I jumped a gun. Welcome to our kitchen table. I thought this was a light on the microphone but I guess it's not. I don't understand why it's there. That's a white thing? Maybe. Yeah, it looks like it should light up but it doesn't. Maybe it. No, it doesn't. It's like a little reflective thing. I guess in case you're standing out in the street with it. I think headlights hit it. I think when you're using them wirelessly it might. But when they're plugged in like this they don't. I don't know. I think it might have had the music too loud there at the start. Sorry about that. You do? You don't have to apologize. I don't know if we could hear what we were talking about and since it's super important. You don't owe anybody. I feel like I need to recap. So there's this stuff on this light looking thing on the microphone. But when you switch the switch it doesn't light up and so now we all have to solve this mystery. Yeah, we felt like that was important enough to repeat in case you. There. So if you have any ideas, please write in. Spare us the agony of uncertainty. Thanks for this water. You're very welcome, Luke. Heated me up a mug of water. I just drink hot water. So you don't get kidney stones. So I don't get kidney stones. As many kidney stones. I still get kidney stones. So sorry, wrote about. Wait. Go ahead. Wait. You didn't reflect. What are you going to say about the launch and anything? Because I thought dad would do it. What? You're going to talk about what happened this weekend? What did happen this weekend? What did we do this weekend? The big, the big, the big, the big, the big Oliver play. Well, it isn't the past and it's exhausting. So dad was killed two nights running. Spoilers. Spoilers. If you haven't seen Oliver, the stage play. Nancy dies at the end. Nancy dies. So sorry. So yeah, they didn't have to go to rehearsal today. So we were home and. It's been peaceful, hasn't it? Like for Marcy's birthday party. We were home after the thing where we weren't home. Yes, that's what I meant. We came home on our. We were here all day, except for when we were. It's like for when we were. It was a peaceful day at home, except for when we were not home. Tavis home close enough. It's not that far. And she's my sister, so I can call that home. It's an extension of our home, but we didn't go to the great birthday party. We did not have to go and. Marcy Drogwood tradition and that she wanted an ice cream cake. So we didn't get to look at Tavis. Tavis been making children's cakes. Like since the beginning, right? Didn't she start with making a cake for Marcy? For sure. So it's and it's been fun to watch Tavis cake decorating skills evolve as the children get older. So every, you know, she's added more children and that means more birthday parties and a number of years, eight in Marcy's case. And so her cake decorating skills have gotten markedly better. She still couldn't just serve an ice cream cake. She still got out her icing and put it in the squeezy. She still felt some sort. And personalized it. Yeah. And that was frustrated because because it was a frozen cake, the icing wasn't sticking to the thing. Yeah, it's coming back right off. Yeah. Yeah. These are there's some physics involved in cake decorating carol that if you're not aware of it, it can really, really be frustrating. Well, the trick to a great artist of any kind is really how good you are at covering up your mistakes. How many tools do you have in your toolbox to get to fix whatever didn't work to make your accidents look intentional? Because yeah, that's really what happens. This is in the early years, something like, you know, the icing separates or the cake is too crumbly or whatever. Or the easel falls over half the time or the rock breaks and half the memorable cakes were the ones that just went really bad for a day. And then she had to quick, you know, do another plan to fix it. But this year for Marcy at least, Marcy wanted an ice cream cake. And so I went in today and I said, hey, I want to see the cake. And Tav, he goes, oh, it's an ice cream cake this year. And I was a little sad. I told her that I said, I'm kind of disappointed because I was don't tell her that we're going to cause her to feel bad. That feels bad all the time anyway. So it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. I do not have loose lips anymore around Tav. Like the normal nagging or teasing that I would do with anybody else. If I started, if I started being careful around Tav, that would cause her anxiety because I've never done that. I've always been. It probably upsets her to know that you are now filtered. But I haven't heard the end of the pants that I made fun of that she never wears anymore. Right. I was going to bring that up because that's not really teasing when you say something that you genuinely believe and you just say it in a shocking way. Like one of the most, can I even say this on our podcast? Remember what you said about my friend in high school? I mean, I said she was coming over and said dad remembers. I remember that. That whore. I don't want that whore here. I don't want that whore here. And that was his idea of a really funny because she was like the valedictorian, the most upright person. Right. It was not the correct word. No dad laughs every time. I don't. Here's why it was funny, honey. I can't explain enough that women and girls don't understand the humor in just having you say the most mean thing that you can think of. They don't. It wasn't that it was me. Well, partially that it was mean, but it just didn't apply. It was just the completely, it'd be like saying, I don't want that camel over here. I mean, it was just that. Well, why didn't you say that? Obviously incorrect. I didn't you say, I don't want that bowl of pasta over here. Because you think I had a stroke or something. I kind of did think you had a stroke. I was like, why are you being so out of pocket? Actually, bowl of pasta would have been funny now. And so the paint pants, the infamous paint pants, tabby just, just innocently comes over wearing clothes and Luke was like, oh, are we going to be painting today? Those look like paint pants. And she was like, they look like painters pants. And this is the thing about Luke. He's a one-line guy. He doesn't have a whole base feature. He doesn't have a whole presentation. He can't defend himself. He's just going to say the first thing that pops in his head and then tabby pushes back. And it's like, what do you mean? What do you mean? Do they look bad? He goes, no, no, I don't think they look bad. You just look like you're going to go paint something. And then she thought about it for weeks because realized I was right. Why? Why is my supposed to do with that? She's like, how do my supposed to do that? If that's what makes painter pants, then anything can be painter pants. Right? You show up in a tux. She's like, I like to paint in a tux. She's like, do they have stains on them or something? And he was like, no, no, no, no. I like them, actually. I actually like them. It looks like you're either getting ready to paint something or get married. She's like, are they too baggy? He's like, no, no, no, I kind of like them. She's like, well, then why did you tell me I look like a painter? I like the way painters dress. Well, I think she said something like this. So do you think other people should wear painter's pants? And he was like, no, no, not necessarily. You remember way more of this conversation than I do. I just remember, said a thing, heard about that. That's what happened in Tabby's head. Don't say more things. That's what I learned. We were asking for some clarification there and you had none except, oh, yeah, I like them. And she was like, maybe next time lead with that. Yeah, I remember that. There actually is a type of pants that they called painter's pants. Right. I haven't seen them for a while, but no, no, not parachute pants. But there were painter pants that were, they were denim, they were jeans. And they had, honestly, they looked pretty much like regular jeans except they had a different sort of a pocket. And they had like a loop on the side of it that you were supposed to be able to put a paintbrush in. But I don't know who would put a paintbrush. That's actually for a hammer. In their pants like that. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. We always call those painters pants. We were probably wrong about that. Yeah, it's okay. I saw a lady, she took those jingo jeans with the really, really big pockets from like the 90s in early 2000s. And she was like, I'm gonna fill these jingo pants with my old 90s memorabilia until I can't fit anymore in. It was the stupidest, but funniest thing I saw that day because- So, a polypocket. Yeah. She put like a lava lab. Oh, into her pants. And her pants pocket. She's like, here's this. A troll's doll. A troll's doll might have been in there. She put- A lava lamp kind of came back in the 90s. Is that what I'm saying? Yeah, they did. A lot of stuff from this 70s. In the 70s. So like inflatable furniture came back in the 90s. Oh, man. And some of that. Yeah. She put a magic eight ball in there. In her pants. She had one of those, not deer diaries. What were those? Do you remember, I'm asking two men. Those little electronic diaries that- The Yackback? She did put a walkman in there with head fans. That's not the 90s. That's the 80s. I'm telling you, a lot of stuff came back. She put a bunch of stuff in her pants that didn't belong there. Maybe it was mostly 80s stuff. She put an etch a sketch in there. That's not 90s either. Oh, gosh, it was so funny. It was so funny. She filled and she put- Oh, Lisa Frank. Yeah. It books. We're in there. Yeah, it doesn't remember those. I don't remember. I do. They were on every girl's desk. I blocked out a lot of the 90s. I made it, once I made it through the 80s, I graduated in 1984, and then it's like, all right, I'm done thinking about stuff. I'm done noticing what's going on in the culture. It was fun. So I checked out for about 15 years. So we had a friend who had those pants, and he also had sideburns that were like mutton chops. Yeah. Those are not necessarily 90s either. Well, he was alternative. He was what we called punk. Well, he was technically still wearing those when they became out of fashion. Because they were in fashion when I was in elementary school. And then, so for him to still be wearing them when we were in high school, he was holding on. Here you go. Here's Lisa Frank. You don't remember those going around when I was two? Oh, yeah. Super like rainbow neon. Like crazy colors. Stuff. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it never came back from my high school days. I did. It are the big coms that people would stick in their back pockets. Oh, dad. Never came back in the 90s. They stick them in their hair and their afros. Not even so much anymore. This was in the back pocket. You just have a comb in your back pocket. And the handle would stick out. Let me see. Sort of a flat. Oh, yeah. Okay. So what I'm talking about. Well, when I googled it, it says it was a popular iconic fashion accessory from the 1950s through the 80s. But I thought I might find somebody trying to do it. Through the 80s. I thought we made it up. I thought like in 1979, we started doing it. James Dean. It was brand new. No one else had ever thought about carrying a comb in their pockets. Wouldn't it have been the crooners and others in like the 50s? I didn't think so. I thought we are the first people on earth to think about putting a comb or pockets. No, didn't the fans whip it out and work slick back his hair and stick it back in. Yeah, he did. But these were different types of coms. Again, I'm thinking it was an 80s comb. I'm thinking, yeah. I don't need to know who in your young adult life you looked at and thought as cool. Was it James Dean or was that before you? It's a person who's not asked. Because for my uncle, my from my uncle, it was the Fonds. He thought he was the coolest guy. Well, the Fonds was like, and that was the late 70s, early 80s. So so happy days came out. But you're asking dad and he has always been a little bit counterculture. I am never. I remember. I'm never. Maybe Andrew as a kid and that was dad as a kid. If you were to ask me, like, who was your favorite band or your favorite singers? Who did you look up to? Who were your favorite celebrities? I didn't have one. Even when I was that age in high school, like I was, people would ask, what music do you, I didn't care about any of that stuff. Yeah, but you did take mom on a very intentional first date. Tell Luke where you took mom for your first date. To church? Yeah, but I mean, when you actually went out somewhere, who was the band that you took mom to see? It took mom to a petra concert. Petra. Yeah. I thought he was about to say journey, but he said to you. Juan, do you want to Vivo? Are you listening? You can contact us. I've never heard of petra before. It's long before there was a casting ground. Have you ever seen Petra and concert to Juan? The reason I took her to Petra was because your mother-in-law was a huge fan of journey. Which by the way, journey is a great band. I mean, they have a really good music. But Petra is comparable to journey. If you listen to Petra, I mean journey is better. But if you listen to alternative Christian rock, journey and Petra were in the same, you know. You're not totally out of, like here's the thing. When it comes to the 80s, dad did just about all of the iconic 80s thing. So he played Nintendo, he, Anna Tari. Tari. Do you know who my grandpa looked up to? Your grandpa? Yes. Did you already say it? No. Art link letter. Just think about my grandpa and you think who do you think he might have idolized a bit? In celebrity? Was it Richard Nixon? No, he did like Eisenhower. He always said he was the best president because he balanced the budget. Your grandfather looked up to the guy on green acres. John Wayne. John Wayne. Oh, yeah. That's not, that's not. I should have known. He handled the John Wayne. He did. And he talked about him a bit. I think I've told you that every 13 year old boy should be made to watch the cowboys. We already watched it. We watched it. Yep. Yeah. We should watch it first before you put your 13 year old in front of it and gauge whether or not. I mean, did we watch it with Colin? Yeah. I thought we did. We did. He didn't want to at first and then he was like, okay, that was good. Which is like every movie. It's a great movie. He always complains before he's seen me. Those boys drive cattle across the country. I mean, it's very cool. Very manly, much manly. So. That's a great, great, great. I don't know that I had one. I think about it. Somebody you looked up to? Yeah. I'm going to sit over here and think about it. You guys continue. I can tell you that I had a Jonathan Taylor Thomas poster on my wall that made Luke jealous when he first saw it. Jonathan Taylor Thomas? I got no hate for you. You weren't really much of a celebrity idol person. You also had a Harry Potter. Harry Potter one. That's because my best friend in high school gave it to me. Yeah. So I saw the movies together. Yeah, I didn't do any of that. In fact, here's the thing. I think we've talked about this before. But if something was popular, then it was almost guaranteed that I wouldn't want anything to do with it. And that wasn't on purpose. That's just what happened. I had this sort of natural revolution for things that everybody else liked. And it wasn't that I disliked it. It's just like everybody likes it. That's what we're mature about beyond your years. Oh, I know. You had a celebrity crush. There was a girl that you liked. I'm remembering my best friend, Stephen Woodrums, which he would have, it was the Fresh Prince of Bel Air. Oh, he looked up to him. He modeled a lot after him, like he, the way that he would be funny and the way that he would show boat and stuff. Very much. He had a spleen problem. It's in the hospital for a while in the children's rig. And he would just binge watch full of fresh episodes. I had a celebrity crush when I was not in high school, but when I was elementary school, early junior high. Was it Princess Leia? No. No, not Carrie. Not Carrie Fisher. Not Carrie Fisher. Prior to Carrie Fisher. This is older than Carrie Fisher. Was it the little girl from Parent Trap? No. Not Haley Mills. I'm trying here. Haley Mills was, I guess she was a little older than me. Was it a TV show or a movie? It was a television sitcom. Was it? Mine was Amanda Bines. No, yours was Eliza Dushko. That was later. That was like high school. Mine was like my first crush as a kid. I was loyal to mine. I was loyal to mine. Amanda Bines did not age well. I don't know if you see that. That is very correct. A lot of places. Was it from Bewitched? No, but you're in the right ballpark. It was not a little girl who plays. It wasn't not the girl. No, no, no, no. It wasn't Elizabeth Montgomery. It was a bewitched. You know them all, so. You're very close. You're really in the right ballpark because it was another... Was it three's company? No, no, no. I got it. I'm cold. I'm cold. There was another thing. You may not know this, but there was... Okay, Bewitched, she was a witch. But there was another sitcom that had a magical being in it. Yeah. I dream of Jeannie. I dream of Jeannie. That wasn't Jeannie? Yeah. I was crazy about Barbara Eadon. But she was like a grown woman in that. Yeah. It's not a... Okay. But she was magical. If you consider whatever she was, 27 or 28. Or she didn't want to wriggle her nose. Or is that people that have to wish? No, that's the witch. See, I'm confusing the two. Jeannie would blink. She would hold her eyes and blink. But man. It was the... She was amazing. It was the reboot of Bewitched that had that famous... A scene that I described sometimes where the aunt comes in from out of town. And she's like, she's a witch too, but she is super prideful. She's arrogant. She has the... What is it? The Hall of Eternal? The Hall of Grituitous Praise. The Hall of Grituitous Praise. She visits the Hall of Grituitous Praise. She just opens the door and everybody says, we love you. You're amazing. You're awesome. Yeah. And she asks it. It closes the door. I don't remember anything else about that episode except the Hall of Grituitous Praise. I have a feeling we're going to get some group chat responses of people's first celebrity crushes. I hope so. I hope so. Oh, I remembered too. In addition to Jonathan Taylor Thomas, I had Devon Sawa. Who? Yeah, I knew you were going to say that. Who? Devon Sawa. Who was it? He kind of splashed onto the scene in Casper. He's the kid, the human version. He's also the voice of the cartoon Casper when he becomes a boy and they dance. Yeah. Christina Ricci was pretty cute in that movie. Yes. So he was opposite Christina Ricci. And then he also played a couple of other things. But I can't remember now. Yeah. Was he in that? Yeah. Was he in that? Like set. I know medium long blonde hair. It was pretty iconic. Oh, yeah. It was the shaggy blonde. And then, you know who else I really liked was Lee and Outro de Caprio specifically in Man in the Iron Mask because he had like a really long. It's a historical fiction. And so it's like set. I am. I did not know that she had any of those. I still appreciate a well built celebrity. Oh, nice job. I understand now why you hate it when I cut my hair short because all of your crushes have longer hair, hair, shaggy, and hair like they're here. On counter. Huh. Yep. I forget who we were. We were watching that together. Well, I know we were watching lower the rings and I always have appreciated legolas. Ever going. Oh, no, that's really crazy. Ever lose crazy hair than legolas. I don't like his hair in that, but I liked him in Pirates of the Caribbean, which we also watched with the kids recently. And now kind of find out both Cammy and Emory have small crushes on Orlando Bloom. Orlando Bloom. So on young Orlando Bloom because he's. Yes. He's not what he looks different now than he did when he was legolas. He looks different. We watched a great of Shomen recently, which has Hugh Jackman. Hugh Jackman, but also who's the younger. Jay. Zach Efron. Yeah, Zach Efron. I told him say Jason. And he also had like he actually broke his jaw and had to have reconstructive surgery. And he's never looked quite the same. Quite the same after you broke his jaw. Yeah. God bless you, Zach. Not your fault, but it's a little different now. It happens. So and that's such a good movie. That soundtrack is so good. The greatest showman. The greatest showman. Yeah. My theater kids are crazy about some. Great a showman. And I was telling them about how Hugh Jackman does his own vocals and does his own dancing and everything. How that's like almost unheard of. But what we need to do is go back through the old classics is like Jean. Jean Kelly. Wilder. Yeah. Yeah. And the one take where who did Sicken in the rain. Uh, Fred Astaire. I do Kelly. Jean Kelly. Now I can't. Fred Astaire. They have they famously have that when they sing good morning, good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Uh, it's one take. They do that whole scene and one take. Well, they did that a lot in in Hollywood because film was expensive. And they tapped dance down the stairs. Guys, it's so good. Oh, so good. Yeah. Anyway, when we're not physically on the stage, the kids and I will watch. You know, theater things, feats of theater strength on TV. Yeah. You know, you know, you know, you know, Jean Kelly. Is it Donald O'Connor? Yeah. Oh, Debbie Reynolds. Debbie Reynolds speaking of Carrie Fisher. Is that her mom? Is it? Her mom is famous. Yes, it's Debbie Reynolds is Carrie Fisher's mother. I'm pretty sure. I knew something like that once upon a time. Princess Leah Carrie Fisher. Yeah. Oh, she's Hollywood royalty. Yep. So yes, Debbie Reynolds. Yes, but that's not who I thought it was. We got started on the all of this because your kids were going to play this weekend. Well, we came back around about all this because Luke asked who your favorite, who you thought was cool. No, it was you. I didn't ask you and talk about the play. Yeah, the who did who did I think was cool question came after you. Okay. But what is the distraction, you know, so this has all been God's will. We've talked because it was God's will for us to talk about Orlando Bloom. Well, remember a couple of weeks ago or one week ago, I can't remember when it was that somebody posted about fear. Did we talk about that on a podcast? I don't think so. I was surprised you didn't bring it up. Jim Brewer put a thing about fear. The system has to be come down because it's all it's all fear based and you know, everything is is fear based. And I like I like Jim Brewer. I think he's funny. I think he's on a journey. I don't know exactly where he's at. I'm a little worried about him recently. He's on a journey. I'm a little worried about it. Well, you're this going speaking of journey. Well, there was some I mean, I don't know him. I don't know Jim Brewer. I am a fan of Jim's because I think as standups go, I think he's really good. He's got a sort of an energy about him. He's like, well, you know, if you watch Tim Hawkins, Tim has a lot of Jim Brewer-esque kind of things about him where he'll just take a premise and the reason, part of the reason the Brewer is funny is because he acts stuff out. He's like, one of the things I wanted to have was a kangaroo. You know, he went to have a kangaroo. He talks about showing up at a party just opens that door and the kangaroo comes out. And then he starts hopping around on the stage. You got to see it, but gosh, it's funny. She's got this kangaroo. He's a little manic. He's the one who told the story about a paint department, didn't he? Isn't that the one we watched? Yes. Yeah. Where he was in the paint department. That was true. He was in a prank phone call. Yeah. I think that a good 75% of that was true. Yeah. So I like him. I think he's a good stand-up. I don't know him and I don't know anything about him. And so anything that I say as far as what his motivations are or what's driving him, it's all it could all be completely wrong. It's conjecture. But you like it. He's going places. You're just not sure if that place might be straight to hell. He's going someplace. But yeah, but now he's starting to have some of these wacky conspiracies like Camus Trails, you know, it's like Kim Trails. And he talks about fear-based things and he's kind of this cabal guy. You know, there's people that are controlling us and the people that are controlling us with fear. And it's all fear-based and the system has to come down. And that's what he says. The system has to come down. And I'm like, okay. But how are you going to do? First of all, what is the system? You know, what is the system? And how are you going to take it down? And so the comment I made was, well, fear is not something that, I don't remember exactly how I said it, fear is not something that God's people are controlled by, you know, because I said, the system has already come down. I said, because when Jesus walked out of the grave, he took away the fear of death, which is the big one. You know, we're not afraid of death anymore. Because Jesus has demonstrated that God is in control of things. The followers of Jesus are equipped by God to endure suffering. Christians operate by a different system. It's not fear that drives God's people. Right. That you were as a John. That was me. Okay. I mean, that was what I was like. He couldn't tell that I was reading that. Oh. And he said, Jim wouldn't, Jim didn't say that if he didn't be dead. He didn't specify. He didn't specify who. If Jim had said it, Dad would know where he was going. Right. I wouldn't be worried about him. He wouldn't be worried. But if we, some of the comments underneath there were, you know, there was a lot of people who were like, well, religion is the reason that people are afraid. Religion is the one that they didn't say it as nicely as I'm going to say it. That's what they, they, they, to what extent are they correct? Well, that's what I wanted to do. That's what I wanted to do. Pass around with you guys. So what extent are they correct that lots and lots and lots of people are running around afraid of stuff, including, but not limited to people who are afraid of chemtrails. Like, I don't understand how religious people, because they mean Christians. I don't understand how Christians are getting the bad rap for scaring people when we're out here talking about like the cabal and, you know, I had a question. Global warming. It wasn't a conversation with one of my ER doctors a few years ago. And he was talking about how he wasn't surprised that Trump won because, you know, what we've seen throughout, you know, the last several, several decades of it being a Democrat and then it's a Republican for two terms. And it's a Democrat and then it's a Republican. Like that's not an organic thing. Like that's, that's what they want to happen. They want this, this infighting. They, yeah, yeah, they want. It's, it's a, it's to keep, it's just to keep everybody angry at each other and nothing can really build because getting torn down by the very next administration and all of this. And I'm not sure who they are, but that's what they want. That's similar to what Brewer says. Yeah. It's that they want us to keep fighting each other. They want us to keep fighting each other. But even then you have to go, well, you say each other. So you're, you're talking about different sides still. And so, so what is it like? Yeah. What, what is it that, that Christians get? How do, how do they hang the fear thing on us? I mean, what, what are Christians accused of when, when we're being fear mongers as we're being, as I'm being accused of here? What is it that they're actually saying when they, when they say, you know, you guys peddle in fear? They're accurately describing like all the charismatic leaders that Mike Winger is calling out. And I think, I think that Christians have been accused of this forever with the whole you're going to hell if you don't do this thing. That's a lie. But there, but that's what's happening. Like you don't recognize how many places that might actually be taught from the pulpit. Now is it our, is it the person in the pulpit's fault? Is it Christianity in general? Is it our, you know, is it everybody? Where who identifies as a Christian? Is it our fault that that's happening? I, I would say no. Yes. Well, I say no as a knee jerk reaction. But also it's crazy to me how many people are falling for it. How many like little, falling for what that you're going to hell if you know for the, okay. So abusive or narcissistic pastors who are building mega churches based on false prophecies and fake healings and twisting, wrenching the Bible out of context. They're plastering Bible verses on top of their abuse and it's working. There are thousands of people going to school out in California. They're selling the opposite. They're selling the opposite. They're not selling, those pastors are not selling fear. They're selling false power. No, they're selling fear. They're selling the fear of, the fear of questioning the authorities there. They're telling people that if you do not come over here and pretend to be healed, you're going to hurt everybody else's faith. You're going to hurt the cause of Christ. You're going to hurt the gospel if you blow the whistle. They're now trying to come in. Okay. So they're coming, they're stealing fear into possible whistle blowers and stuff, which is everybody. Anybody who's going to say, hey, I saw them putting angel feathers up in the duct work before this, they were sticking feathers and glitters. Well, feathers, not angel feathers. Well, feathers. They call them angel feathers. People out, people out, ripping the feathers out of angels. That's what they called them. If you want to go and say, hey, I've got some of these angel feathers from the conference, but I saw them putting them up there along with the glitter beforehand, because they did that. Do angels have feathers? I know that they're talking about the heavenly beings with all the weight. I don't know this situation mentioned. Does it pretend like it came out of nowhere? Yeah. Wow. Bethel did that. It was a scandal like 15 years ago. Also did gold raining down on them. So I'm saying dust, glitter and feathers coming out of the depth of wood. People would be like, this is coming from the doorstep of the feathers. They were like that, Luke. They said, wow, this must be a movement from the Holy Spirit. That's her point. Yeah, the people that were moved by that. Look at these feathers coming down from the sky. It didn't occur to them that there's a roof over their heads. Somehow the feathers are getting through the roof. Wow. I hate to be the one to break this to you now live, because I wish that you could have some time to process it and give me your best explanation for what causes a room of, you know, 5,000 people to be collectively diluted like that. But if one or two of them said to themselves, you know, this needs to be some, this needs to be investigated. I'm going to go into a partnership about this. They would be publicly castigated as dissenters, divisive people with the critical spirit and causing the harm of other people of faith. You don't think God can do this? You don't think God is powerful enough to do these miracles? You're doubting. So that's the sort of fear that is, in fact, being peddled to large groups of people. Now, there are faithful congregations out there for sure. And I know what Orthodox Christianity teaches. But it's absolutely true that many people who are wearing the label of Christian are out there operating primarily from just trying to avoid the next anxiety. And they're just, they're running on anxiety all the time because that's what they're, that's what they're immersed in. Well, the other point that I wanted to make and I didn't because you only, you can only make one point at a time, is that, you know, this, this idea that fear, that we should live fearlessly, we should live completely devoid of fear. Some things, something it's right to be, you know, fearful of. That's the reason that I don't drink paint. Why? Are you afraid of death? It's not a matter of being afraid of it. Well, then why'd you bring it up? There's, I mean, there's a lot of things that I don't, I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to die. I'm not trying to die. Right, but is it because you're afraid of death? No, it's because like, you're in point. Okay, to remind you, your point is supposed to be there are things you should be validly afraid of, ready, go. Oh, guess, okay, but this is where you have to have a definition of what you mean by afraid. Yeah, for sure. Versus, where, versus, versus, uh, aware versus cognizant, you know, there's, there's different levels of fear. And I guess, I guess the fear is always a thing that is like an extreme and unrational, or irrational anxiety than yes, I guess fear would always be, would always be bad. I think, yeah, I think anxiety is another word for fear and I don't think that there's a, I am worried too. Yeah. I think awareness is a different category. I wasn't, wasn't your persistent argument with your college sociology teacher about that not everything we do is fear based, a fear of consequence. And my college sociology base? Yeah, I didn't, you have to take that class multiple times because you take it a couple of times. You just kept arguing that it's not fear of getting caught that makes everybody not do bad. That was his position. Yeah, his position was that he would, he would rob a bank and this is what he said to us are in our class and all of his freshman, he would rob a bank if, if he knew he could get away with it, right? The only reason that he doesn't is fear of being caught and he, the punishment was what they told argument was that humans operate out of fear. Yeah. I, I have, I've argued the point you're trying to make now, dad, before about how there's the fear of the Lord and that's the beginning of knowledge. And it just doesn't go anywhere. Does it? I would say the only thing that you should fear is separation from God. I think that would be the only thing that you should actually genuinely be afraid of. And in that case, you should be afraid of everything else that goes with it. Obviously, a fear of death would go with that. You should always be afraid and looking over your shoulder and, you know, wondering who's out to get you next and, you know, looking out, looking out for yourself constantly because no matter what you do, there's always probably going to be some sort of a bad consequence. Come next. And if God does not charge your life, then literally everything is scary. It's scary. Yeah, scary. It should be causing anxiety. But the reverse, I think, is true too. And I've, I've come into this conclusion more and more that you can tell who's operating in fear and who's operating in faith and, and, and trust in who God is. And it's not just the charismatic to be clear. The, the charismatic aren't the only Christians who are peddling fear. There's, there's some high church and, you know, orthodox traditions that are works based and constantly causing that it's, it was well intended, but like the consequence now is a whole bunch of people running around feeling like if they die without going to confession that they're going to spend, you know, centuries in purgatory, for example, or if they, what group are you talking about? If they accidentally commit a mortal sin, you know, I don't even know for sure what the mortal sins are, but if they accidentally commit one, then they might be jeopardizing their eternal salvation. You are very at risk of committing one if you don't even know what they are. Am I? There you go. And, and so there are, there's a long tradition in religions, including going back to Jesus' time period when he was arguing with the Pharisees. A long tradition of religious leaders piling on a bunch of extra laws and expectations and standards for people that just cause more burden and more fear than they do. They're not burden lifters. They are, yeah, they're stressors. They're oppressive with their religious doctrine and that still happens today. Well, and those, but the people who are saying that it's religion that's peddling fear, it's, it's not, it's not actually Christianity, right? It's, it's some other religious... Well, we, we have a problem because we've allowed people to identify as Christians for a very long time without very much, you know... Well, and when you say we, you're not talking about me and you because we have been very careful about who we allow to call the souls Christian. To call the souls Christian, yeah. We, yeah, we don't have a very good vetting process. We have. So if you've got, in the United States, little pop-up churches pop-in up the same way that like restaurants pop up in the United States and for basically the same reason, it's easy. Right. And we have the freedom, baby. And so we can, we can make a little nonprofit over here without anybody telling us otherwise because that's what our right is. We have a right to start a church. And so we do. And yeah, there's dozens and dozens and dozens of independent churches just right here within like a 60 mile radius of where we're sitting. And so some of them are guilty of teaching false doctrine to the point that some of them are probably not even Christian at all anymore, but it says Christian on their front door. So... Right. So what are we going to do? So a church can't be Christian or not. It's the people in it that are ultimately being judged. Uh-huh. But the word Christian is still being applied to the building and to the group as a group. And so you can't really fault Jim for not going out of his way to describe exactly which Christians he's talking about. Well, he wasn't talking about religion at all. He was just talking about they and the fear-based system. Right. He wasn't identifying what the system was, which was part of what I was criticizing because in a very real sense, he was instilling fear in people in the same way. Well, the fear of the fear of the faceless system. It's the fear of fear which in my experience is really all there is. Most people are more afraid of the panic attack than they are even of whatever triggers. It can get to the point where they're now afraid of really crazy silly things like, I don't know, sunflowers. Maybe on Mari was afraid of sunflowers a few years ago or they can be afraid of walking over a bridge where you can see the water underneath or something very specific. Or you're just a fear or just a fear that you're part of a system that is keeping you afraid. Right. Right because anxiety can latch on to literally anything. I know people who are now afraid of passing on their anxiety to their kids. I'm afraid that because I'm so afraid all the time my kids are going to learn unhealthy habits of fear and how to make me even more afraid. And I'm really afraid I'm doing it wrong there. So yeah, so in a way I agree with Jim that there is a system. And in a way you agree with me that the system has already been dismantled. Yeah, no, I very much agree with that. I like to like on your comment. Did you notice? I did. You two are so cute. I noticed that. You like my comment and then you disappeared and ignored all of the... Yeah, I definitely hate old vitriol that came underneath it. I did too. It's been over a week and they're still drippling. They're still trickling in people. That's kind of to be expected when you come over to somebody else's world with other fans and try to do any sort of... And try to say anything. Anything, anything. I jump into the things. If you have people on your post because I'm an admin of your page on Facebook. And so now and then I will respond to people on that if you're the one getting all of the attention on your post. But yeah, if you go wander over to Jim Brewer's post. I'll click on my own. I'll click like maybe, but I'm not going to talk to people. At least Jim Brewer did make another post using you as an example. At least that didn't happen. That didn't happen this morning. Not to happen once. Yes, I definitely agree that the system has already been dismantled and people will either live like that is true. And those would be the Christians who have Jesus Christ as their Savior or they will live like... That's not true. And it will be full of anxiety. I mean fear everywhere. So they are correct. And in this case they refers to the people like Jim Brewer or anybody who believes that there's a whole lot of fear going around. They're correct. And unfortunately for them they are... They either haven't heard or haven't accepted the solution to that. I'm hoping that Jim Brewer will encounter Wesley Huff. Yeah. And yeah. Is Wesley just going to do all of our dirty work for us? Well, I used to think that I wanted to go on Joe Rogan and I wanted to interact with Jim Brewer and I wanted to get in touch with Louis CK. I wanted to be the guy who did that. But you know what? I think it's Wesley's job now. Yeah, I vote Wesley. I don't think... I don't think... I don't think God needs me to go and talk to famous people. I think he's... Just did a two hour podcast with some British guy named Steven something. Yeah. And I watched all of that and I was like, man. He's cool. He's doing great. He's cool and whatnot. Yeah, Wes can do all of that and I'll just... I'll just grow a garden this year. Okay. I'll just plant some beans and some... Emory would like to grow wild flowers in your garden. Would you like to? She already has. Oh, and his... I don't want flowers in there. We're going to plant... Can we grow okra in this region? Why don't you want flowers? Is it because as a man... I don't want to win my vegetable garden. You see them as pointless. No, we planted flowers. You're... Son and I planted a ton of flowers last fall. We just had a conversation earlier today or yesterday about how flowers are just kind of... Not useful. He doesn't like... He thinks he doesn't like flowers but then he also showed me a picture yesterday of drapery and was like here for the rental property, which of these should be hang up. And said, you can't tell me... Mine flowers. Mine flowers. I just don't want them growing with the vegetables. I don't hate flowers either. I just... They don't have enough value for me to care enough to tend them and... You realize... You know why they don't have value? Because you don't tend them. If you... If you start tending the flowers, you will start to have an appreciation and a care for them. Maybe I'm just going to buy a little fruit. Maybe I'm just going to buy a little fruit. If you're going to have any fruit or vegetables that are going to flower first, right? I... Not if I can help. Well, I did not realize that I was going to have a love affair with a creeping time. But that's what happened over these past few years. I... Has it creeped? It will creep. What are you going to do when creeping time becomes all the rage in everybody loves creeping time? I'll probably switch to something else. But yeah, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. I'm just going to play the outro. I was going to tell you about every time you say Jim Brewers on a journey, it reminds me of the word journey on the cake wreck. But I won't tell you the last story right now. No, you're just going to say part of it. No, I'm going to tell it to you guys. I'm going to tell it to you guys after I turn off the<|ko|>