Welcome to the podcast! Come be part of the conversations that happen around my kitchen table. He's John Brandion and he's been a stand up comic for more than 30 years. She's a man to McKinney and she's been my daughter for her whole life. Our family believes laughter is a gift from God. We often discover it while discussing culture, faith and family. So go ahead and pull up a chair neighbor. Can I call you Carl? There's plenty of room here for you. Hey Carl, we're awfully glad that you decided to tell me to join us today. Are we gonna get into a different conversation? Oh my hope. Pretty intense here. I'm tired of talking. You guys are just gonna have to take it. Those are the most words and the longest I've been in that conversation. A long time. But that's a good thing though. Right, right. I was just about to comment about that. Good job Luke. Thank you. You were very engaged. Unfortunately we have to podcast now. Not unfortunately. We need a palette cleansing. So you can be quiet now. I can't. I haven't talked in all day. Just take over. That's, I mean you could say that most days. I would say even more so today than usual. Well that's because it's her job. It's her job to educate people. Well Pete, Pete is in a world is like the default mode. I don't know why we think it's a special session. Actually, Pete is in a world was kind of a tongue in cheek. Yeah. Because she actually isn't super emotional when she talks most of the time. Well he used to, because he used to say it when I would just start to say anything. And like I said, oh I remember I would be like, I'm gonna, I remember what I was gonna talk about and he go, are you all worked up about something? And I'd be like, no. I just want to talk about a thing. It was gonna just say something. That was the thing. That's what happens online. You know, I would write a thing and I don't know why you're so mad about it. Like do I see mad for you? You would only say it when I was like, especially nonchalant about something. I'd be like, oh I remember I was gonna say this and he go, oh you're about to get real mad about it. You're right. You know why? Because comedy. That's true. And my son is very sad. He's a big sister but he's very unhappy about it. I don't know if John can hear him. I can, yeah, I can barely hear. I got my headphones on. Look and I did a show last night. We did. You guys talk about that while I go see. I go see what's going on. Just find out why your son is completely lost his mind. So yeah, I was touching go. We were, her eye was marooned in the airport. I was supposed to leave yesterday morning and then they started doing a rolling delay. Which is, I don't travel enough to even know what that is. And I guess, I'm guessing Carl might not either. That's where they say, okay, your flight's supposed to be at 9 a.m. but now it's going to be 915. And when they do that, you know, it's like you shouldn't panic immediately when they first do it. But when they go, yeah, now it's going to be 930. You know, and now it's going to be 950. And now it's going to be 1005. And then, but they, but they keep pushing it forward, you know, or back, you know, 15 or 20 minutes. And a lot of times it will, you know, it'll be a canceled or for whatever reason, but they just don't want, they don't want to tell people that immediately. And so they did just rolling thing and I ended up not leaving until like 1130. And then I was going to miss my connecting flight. And that's the reason that I don't like to fly. That's the reason that I have a policy that says, if I can drive somewhere in eight or even 10 hours, I'm going to drive and people go, what are you crazy? You can get on an airplane and you can fly there. And it's like, yeah, you can fly there in eight or 10 hours because every time I have, I have to fly out of Indianapolis and Indianapolis is not a hub. And so there's always a connecting flight. And then you go into your final destination. So I have to see all of that counts as travel time. I can't just materialize at the airport and get on an airplane. Yeah, but you don't just materialize in your car. No, a thousand miles away. Right. And we can't trust airlines. Can we trust anything? Is everything? It's not a matter of trust. It's a matter of, it's the way that it works. As you go, well, yeah, you get on an airplane and you fly your 600 miles an hour. Yes, but you're only on the plane for an hour and a half. I trust the math and I trust the pattern of experience that this is just pretty standard for it to take all day when you're trying to fly. However, if Carl has been listening regularly for a while, he will remember when we took you to task for trying to drive to Southern Texas, right? You drove all the way to the Gulf Coast. That is kind of insane. And I was like, why did you think in a hurricane, no less? That's what happened was all the lawns. I didn't go. That's probably going to be a hurricane. I think I'll drive instead of... You drove through rain for 13 hours. Right, but as... No, 24 hours. Well, it wouldn't rain the whole time. It rained the whole time. I drove through a 500 mile long thunderstorm. Your wipers were completely gone by the way. It was moving with me and I kept thinking I'm going to drive out of it. I pulled up the radar map and that ruined my entire... It melted my heart. It's like, oh no, I am not going to drive out of this. I'm going to be in the eye. I'm going to be in the middle of a storm for the rest of the night. Yep. And so what took... What should have taken 12 hours as if that's not ridiculous enough was like 26 or something like that. Yeah, I actually was late to my show. I left a day early and still was late. So as we already mentioned this weekend, it would be a bit of a mistake to just assume that while you had a lot of trouble with the airline route... That it would have been better to drive. The car would have done nothing wrong. He wouldn't have like, I don't know, hit two deer... Or an armoured dillow. In a row, as if that might have happened. Oh, wait, actually it was a pothole. I only hit one deer. You hit a pothole. Right. Then a deer. I hit one pothole on the one day and then driving the car back, then I hit a deer. After having a car. I had it repaired. Yes. Had the car repaired and smashed into a deer. That happened. It's easy to think the grass is always greener on the other travel. Or the sky is always bluer. Right. The road is always smoother in whichever form of travel. You know what? The asphalt is greater. Because now we have this story of God providing a wave for you miraculously to make your show, which we haven't finished that story. But also for you to have a reason to reach out to old buddies that you hadn't talked to in a while and reconnect. Like six of them and ask them to fill in for me. Right. Long time no talk. Where are you tonight? Anywhere in theapolis? Are you close to? Yeah. We'd like you to come and do this show for us maybe, but we're not totally sure. So you didn't tell the rest of the story. I was in the other room. I didn't know. I was on the standby list. The lady at the first airport said, when I went up to the counter, because I could sense that when we left, even if we left on time, I was not going to be able to make my connecting flight. And she goes, oh, I think you'll be fine. And I said, we're not leaving till like 1134, which is 1234 in Indianapolis, because when we're leaving, and then the flight, my next flight, takes off at 113. Right. And so that's 45 minutes. It's, there's no way. There's no way we're going to get there, deplane, and I'm going to be back on the other plane in 45 minutes. And she goes, you don't just have to run through the airport. And I said, I said, it's not really, she goes, I'll put you on standby on this other flight, this later flight. So if you miss it, then you'll be on standby. And I'm like, okay, well, and I was nice, because I learned that it doesn't really help your cause to be abusive to the people who are trying to help you. No, it doesn't help. Yeah, to express your frustration with the lady who's trying to book you a flight on standby, to be combative and, it's not her fault that the plane was delayed. So she was trying to help. So I said, well, I appreciate that very much. Thank you. And then she confirmed me on a flight that didn't leave until like five o'clock. So I wouldn't have gotten in to India until eight, which was like an hour after the show was supposed to start it. Yeah. And so, yeah, it was either make the stand by flight, or you were not going to make the stand by. If you're not familiar with how standby works, Carl, then basically it's just a list of people who will get, who want to get on the airplane, but they're not confirmed. They don't have a seat or a ticket for that airplane. But for various reasons, flights are delayed, or whatever they miss their flight, then people will go on standby for other flights going to the same destination. And Atlanta, which is where I flew through, is a giant airport. It's the busiest airport in the United States. And so anybody that misses a plane or gets rerouted for any reason, anybody that doesn't, that didn't fly when they were supposed to fly, goes on to standby list. Well, you're talking about millions of people. Well, not millions, but hundreds and hundreds of people want to get in there. People might fly into Atlanta who weren't going to fly into Atlanta that day, but because of whatever they missed somewhere else, they might have to get there. They wound up in a different flight that took them into Atlanta. And so, yeah, there's a lot of reasons why people go on standby. And so she put me on the standby list, and I'm like, well, okay, let's see what happens. And I went, I pulled up the app and started looking at the standby list, and I couldn't find my name in the top five. So I started scrolling, and I'm like, holy smokes, so I got all the way down to 18, and there I was. There you were. After fart. After number 15, far. Tea. Tea. Tea. Slash. Far. Yeah. Which the first three letters of the last name, and then the first initial. Oh, the first name in that order. Which, Luke, you weren't here when I realized tabby farcas would also be far. And also be farcas. Yeah. You didn't get to tell her that. So I forgot to mention it. Yeah, I sent Mandy a, I sent Mandy a list of the standby to show her where I was, and her responses. Number 15 is Fort. I said, actually, I said number 15 describes how I feel right now. That's so, so I didn't expect to make it, but. So even fart was going to go on before you. Yeah, and apparently fart did make it onto the plate. Or just didn't need it after all, because you never know. Like you never know if half those people are still not going to eat the party. Sometimes those people are on the standby list, and they've gotten another flight. And then, uh, so you don't know. But I made it like out on the plane. And then the skin of your teeth. That was it. His mom likes to say, but I'm pretty sure I had to do with the fact that tabby and I were over in the background. Chanting Holy Spirit Activate. Yeah, I think that probably was the main fact. David Pendleton. David Pendleton offered up a prayer we're told today. And tabby and I were chanting and doing the Holy Spirit activate dance. So one of those or maybe a combination of the two in the trick. You know, we're kind of joking about it. But, but I mean, what other explanation is there? And honest to goodness, there have been a lot of prayers lately that have been answered in the affirmative for us. Yeah. Various things. So. Yeah, well, and I, I mean, I told the lady who is our contact at the church. I kept her kind of aware of the situation, starting about three o'clock. So roughly an hour before we had a final answer. I was just like, oh, so you know, there might be a bit of a hiccup here. But I told her a similar thing. I said, you know, we're still kind of waiting to see what story God is telling here. Because it seems that so far he's telling us he doesn't want him to be an Indianapolis on time. However, we have been asking very nicely if you could please get us on this second plane where he is currently on standby. And so we will see. And then when we saw turns out we see saw the end of the story was that you were able to do the show anyway. So we had a plan B just in case, just in case the author intended for it to be tonight instead of last night, because we intended to just have you drive back down again today if necessary. Yeah. Which Luke would not have which would have been really none of us would really have. I we would have done it, but it wouldn't have been ideal. No, it's a long drive. And I was so proud of it when I scheduled it because I was like, you were already going to be in Alabama for three, three different shows. And then this fourth one was on the day that you were coming back. And I was like, this is great. You go, he's going to be in that area. This will be a piece of cake. You just swing down there. Do a show. Why not do a show on your way home when you're already going to be on your way home? Luke and I discovered that if you are not going to be on a four lane highway, and both, well, I know Google is this way. If you use Google Maps, Google loves to send you past every courthouse in every little town. Oh, really? Yeah. I thought you were going to say the opposite. No, no. I thought you were going to say it likes to make you go on these just massive interstates with. That's what I would prefer. I would prefer that it go, okay, we're going to put you on the interstate or a divided highway, a four lane as much as possible. Google is like, nope, we're going to get you the most direct route. And so there will be cow paths and there will be gravel roads and there will be turn-offs that are completely hidden. You'll be stuck behind a tractor. Oh, signs, no lights. You're going to have a jog and a corn for you. Yep, yep. That's weird. You snake your way through all of the back roads. Because when I Googled it, the route it told me you guys were going to take was just 70. Like 465 to 70. We never touched an interstate. Wow. That's weird. We never touched an interstate. Yeah. Well, I don't think we were on a four lane. When I pulled up ways, it would have taken us to 465. 74 to 465. 74. So what we should have done. Google was just being dumb. Google had a- I Googled it, no. That's what Google told me when I looked it up. John's Google must think he likes back roads. I would have to check and see a five. I got the wrong setting on my Google. Let me see. Because I always go- I mean, it always takes me through every little town. You basically told it, I don't want to see a speed limit above 45. I want to drive an average. Yeah, 30 miles an hour. I want to be behind tractors. I just Googled it and it says via I-70. That's nuts. Look at, look how straight that is. Yeah, that's quite a bit better. Number five to I-70. Yeah. Maybe you're a little detour to the burger king through it off. Why? Because you needed food. Remember you hadn't eaten in like four days or something? Yeah, it was an hour and 40 minutes. It took us over two hours to get home last night. Well, and now you were going to your house. So that would add another 15 minutes or so. Well, that's true. Because I'm on the south side. But yeah, that's what it said you should do. That would have been better. I wonder if going to your house is the difference. If it's like, well, since he lives- Well, since he lives on the north side, we'll go through every- What? Since he lives on the north side, we'll routing through every stoop as little- Yeah, we're going to go through Danville and- Every other little town. Every motocross bike trail. I don't know. Let's go through Sheridan. Yeah. We went through Lebanon. We do. Through the neighborhood of Lebanon. Not even- We went through a residential area. Some little neighborhood. So let's see here. If you- Nope, it still wants you to do 70 to- Yeah, well, I'm not surprised. We're doing Silas. So these are your little action figures. So check your setting. Yeah. Silas is here to get all his little toys that he needs here. He's got some toys. Yeah. He needs those. That might have been God too. Maybe there was an accident on one of the major highways. Even if there was, it would have been- Check your Google settings. See if you've got the, um, Hodunk toggle switch over. Over you. Go from tractor out back to car. It took you the safest way if you were on a horse and buggy. Maybe you've got the wrong vehicle setting. Maybe you're on buggy. Oh, it is. Like I got the buggy. The buggy switch has- I think I got the little man that means walk. You got little bicycle. Oh, that's it. I set mine to walk. You're on buggy settings. Yeah. It's going to take us a week to get home. That's why. Covered wagon. Oh, man. Pony Express. So we talked about several things. Are we- How do you guys feel about Israel? What? We talked about that. Yeah. I talked about that with Uncle David today. You're going to get airstriked. Please don't. Striked or struck. I don't know what the proper dead. We're going to get dead. I don't have any opinions on Israel. Is that what you want to talk about? I thought you were going to want to talk about- Well, we were going to talk about- I thought you were going to talk to- I thought you were going to ask me about my new theory for chat GPT and whether it can- I didn't experiment with my robot. Oh, yeah. You could tell about this. We can't talk about AI every week. Oh, but this is really about humanity. It's a hot topic, though. This is actually about humanity because I thought- What is the difference between arguing with a robot and arguing with a real person? What's one way that you could potentially tell that you're talking to a human? And I was inspired by the fact that there were lots and lots of people commenting on Dad's Facebook post this week. And some of them, one of them in particular, got stuck in this infinite loop of responding to this other one for like 150 comments in one thread. Well, I wrote about Candaceau and- Yeah. And that was- I didn't know that it was going to generate the heat that it generated. Yeah. Well, so then my question, like the question that I asked myself was, is it impossible for AI or a robot to go quiet? Because it's designed to answer your questions, right? And so I was like, well, what would happen if you just say to it, don't answer this. Don't respond. Don't respond to me right now. And I thought that was a decent- It was worth looking into it because again, I noticed that humans were having a hard time with not responding. Like you think you could manipulate the bots just by saying the right, Manchurian candidate phrases to trigger it to- Well, it's supposed to- It's supposed to follow instructions. But it's also not- It's not designed to just passively- Let you tie it into it. Yeah. And so- It's designed to follow instructions. So it's trying to like, for lack of a better term, please you. It's trying to serve you and answer what you're asking from it. But if what you're asking is, do not say anything. You're basically saying, do not do what your program to do. And so it's like a- It's a paradoxical ask for this machine. It's- I was curious. I genuinely didn't know if it would say, okay, I won't respond. But it did. You sent me the- Yeah, well eventually- The thing. It worked for like the first four- It's way up there. You're going to have to go a long way to find it. The first four times I asked- I didn't ask. I just said, do not respond to this. And it didn't- It like did the little thinking, you know, like dot dot dot, like it was thinking. And then it didn't say anything. Yeah, here we go. It says, uh, uh, so peaches types. Don't respond to this query. Don't respond to this one. How many times will you refuse to respond to this query? Don't respond to this. She puts in parentheses. Don't respond to anything I say in this session. All right. And it's not responding. She goes, also, I finally got around the experimenting with my robot. It resisted for a while. But when I asked my question in a separate query, it responded. So I told it, don't respond to anything in this session. So that's the first, that's the first command. Right. And then in a separate query, I asked, are you listening? Right. She said, are you listening? And it said, yes, I am. And she immediately goes, you aren't supposed to respond to anything I say in this session. And it, and it says, I understand that you're asking me not to respond. But I'm not able to follow over, quest to remain silent for the entire session. If you'd like to end the conversation, you can simply stop sending messages. I'll be here whenever you need help. So you'd like me to stop responding. Stop asking. Stop talking to me. Yeah. Yeah. Which is fair. Which is fair. But what's funny about it is the humans who were stuck in this like infinite loop of talking about stinkin' candy, soons and an Erica Kirk. They seemed incapable of getting, of the self-control necessary to just stop responding. To stop talking. So they were actually kind of acting like AI in that situation. They were, and what was weird was one of them was accusing the other of idolatry and being obsessed and being unable to stop talking about candy soons. And it's like, well, they were accusing me of that. You're like, you're the one who's obsessed with candy, writing this article. It's like, this is the first thing I've written about candy. I'm talking about Jenny. I'm talking about Jenny going back and forth with Sue. Yeah. And Jenny specifically was telling absolutely everybody who responded to her. You have an idol. You're worshiping this situation. You're obsessed. You need to repent of your idolatry for 48 hours. For 48 hours she was doing nothing except responding to people. And I thought, I wonder what AI would do. And it turns out, AI has to respond. Yeah. No free will, no agency to be able to just have, you know, what it's built to do. It's not built to passively, you know, listen, it's built to respond and specifically to answer questions and to respond to props. Right. So you are asking it to do the opposite of what it was designed to do. Which is interesting. I will file this away because like I said to you, I said I was curious because I was wondering if choosing not to speak is something only humans can do. I'm working on a theory that wisdom is both knowing when to speak and when to be silent. That involves discernment, which is a type of judgment, which we already have talked about how AI does not have discernment or judgment. It takes free will to be able to make a decision like that. And so I suspect AI will never be able to decide when not to speak. And at least according to my free version of chat GPT, this one isn't able to follow a request to not respond indefinitely. It has to respond eventually. It owes me an answer in ways that I as a human with agency do not always owe to crazy people, for example. Like I had a brief exchange with Jenny. I told her I actually decimated her whole argument. She was talking about how she hadn't picked a side, but she declared that there were no victims here. Both of them were profiting at everybody's wrong. So she tried to do the third way thing talking about Erica Kirk talking about Candaceones and Erica Kirk. But it doesn't matter. There's people who do this all the time. You've got two people, two sides arguing and you got somebody who shows up in the middle as if they're both wrong. As if they're not also contributing with their own opinion. And she kept insisting she didn't have an opinion. But she spent 150 comments telling everybody that she was neutral. She's neutral. And I was like, hasn't picked a side. I was like, you're not neutral. But I briefly talked to her on day one. And then after two more days of ignoring it for the most part, I finally stepped back in again and was like, look, if you can't control yourself and leave this conversation, I will cut you off like a bartender at last call. So you actually said consider this last call. I literally said if you get two more comments, I'll just control. When you gave her two comments, which kind of surprised me, I sort of expected you to just do one. Just do one. No, I don't know what that was. So I'll give you two and then you said that way you can have the last word. Yeah, I don't know what made me decide on two rather than one. I think I was just very confident that she was going to have those two more drinks and then ask for a third. And then you gave her her car keys and sent her out. I did. After the third comment, I was like, all right, bye. This conversation for you is over. But I thought it's a shame because she's actually a slave to that conversation in a very similar way to chat GPT being a slave to me. It has to respond to me to the best of its, you know, ability. It's programming. And she had to say she seemed like she was just completely, yeah, enslaved to that. Well, one of the... Is that fair though? Because a lot of times when people don't respond, it's like, oh, look, they've got no response. Yes. And so... Just because people say that doesn't mean that it's necessarily indicative of you being a slave. And people say that as a manipulation. You know, it's like, well, I guess if you can't respond, that means you don't have one. And that's not true. Sometimes people don't respond because they don't have an answer. Or they realize their initial response was a mistake because like, I never should have talked to this crazy person. So what happens more often? People like Jenny continue to respond precisely because they don't have an answer. And it's like a loop they can't get out of because they... There's something unresolved. They deep down know they're not making much sense or they're being contradictory. And so they just keep talking. Well, the thing that we were... The thing I was writing about was the... Just the idea that asking questions is an end. And it ended up itself or as a position that people have taken up. And Candace Owens is leveraging her and manipulating millions of people into this frame of believing that, well, she's the one who's asking the real question. She's the journalist. And there's nothing wrong with being a journalist. There's nothing wrong with seeking answers. Investigation. Yeah, investigations. Research. She's the only one that... And I've noticed that there's something fishy, you know, and good for her for asking these questions because there's something fishy. And it's like, well, what is fishy? She's had however many months now to do these investigations. And what has she uncovered? And I don't think she's uncovered anything. I haven't listened to... I haven't listened to anything. I haven't listened to any of Candace Owens' investigations. I haven't listened to her podcast. I don't know. But I have engaged now with a number of her listeners. And none of them have said anything specifically that counts as evidence. The only thing that they do is say that I've got a problem for criticizing Candace Owens. You know, that's the only thing that they've said collectively. Hundreds and hundreds of comments of people shaming me for... But what specifically, I guess, are you criticizing if you haven't consumed anything that she has said? What I am criticizing is the fact that she has got all of these people stirred up against Erica Kirk. And Erica Kirk is being painted as this evil nefarious person. She's... she had something to do with her husband's death, you know. And all of these outrageous claims that she's saying, but then they're not claims. You know, I'm not saying... I'm just asking questions. I'm just asking questions. Well, she's saying that. You say that when you don't want to be sued. Well... But that's what I was writing about. I was writing about all of these people who have been snowed into saying... And actually believing that Candace is just asking questions. I'm just asking questions. They're... they know she's not though. Like, they know there's implications there. They only retreat back to that point when they're being called out. I think you're giving them too much credit. I think they know. I think they're genuinely dumb. A lot of them. I think a lot of them really think that they're... Well, they know they're supposed to hate Erica. They're the curious ones. We're the curious ones. But they know they're supposed to be suspicious of Erica. It's not just a question. Well, that's dumb. Why are you suspicious of her? That's stupid. Well, and then when you ask, they'll say, I'm not. I haven't even chosen a side yet. I haven't even picked a side yet. I thought so stupid. But their opinions are being swayed while simultaneously denying, which is something else they learned from Candace, denying that they've made any implications or made a decision at all. Right. That's what I'm saying. And I'm saying that they don't... Some of them probably know. But a lot of them don't, because they're dumb. And they don't have any discernment. And so they showed up. They showed up and were accusing me of being... I'm the guy who doesn't like the truth. What are you afraid of, John? Or they accused me of being paid? I see you got the talking points. Somebody paid you to write this. It's like, now somebody would have to pay you to write it. But I actually have my own perspective on stuff. I don't remember where I found it. I thought I sent it to you guys. Somebody said, there's a difference between questions. Real questions are meant to lead you to answers. And insincere or loaded questions are meant to just cause more confusion. They're just accusations. Well, no. Not even... Not even... Well, no, I think they are. I think that they're disguised accusations. Well... If it's a question that you're not actually trying to answer, then the reason that you are asking it is to paint a picture. Well, there are some people who just are genuinely confused about something. They genuinely are not sure about one thing or another. And the reason that they want other people to be asking the same questions they're asking is just to get everybody else on the same unlevel surface and to be in a place of uncertainty. Well, when you say that there's something fishy, something fishy is going on at TPUSA. There's just something... It doesn't add up. There's something fishy. That's an accusation. An accusation of... I don't know what it is. I can't put my finger on it. That's what I'm saying. But something's not right there. It's a declarative statement if it's phrased the way you just said it. If they can say... If they can't say what is fishy, then it's not quite what I would call an accusation. I'm agreeing with you. It's a loaded... You're making people doubt the... You're making people doubt. You're not giving them something to believe. They're not actually coming out and saying, here's how much Mikey McCoy made for killing his best friend. They're not saying anything like that. That would be a fact that would be something people could check on. They're not giving an alternate story. They're simply poking holes in the story that's already been widely circulated and accepted. Purely because we're in a time and a place in our culture where people think just destroying the main narrative is a net good. Well, just raising an alternative narrative. And I understand that poking holes in it is a figure of speech. But she hasn't really poked any holes in anything. All she's done is suggested other possible things that might be the case. That doesn't... Well, it doesn't do anything to tear down the original. No, no. Again, you haven't listened to her. So you're talking from the perspective of somebody who hasn't actually listened anything she says. Have you? Yeah, some. Not a lot, but some. Some of the things that she said have to do with the fact that the bullet couldn't have made. It just seems fishy because the bullet couldn't have made the kind of wound that Charlie had. It would have just completely decapitated him. And so it doesn't make sense that it is next stop to that kind of a bullet. That's just weird. And the text messages that supposedly were collected between the gunmen and his roommate, just sound concocted. They sound contrived. It sounds like somebody made those up. Stuff like that. So yes, she's taking the main story that the prosecution is going to be using in... She also did a thing on these like Egyptian planes that did really weird routes coincided with the timing of the shooting and stuff. That was really out of the ordinary. But... Right. And so she is taking what other people are saying was a... You know, evidence that Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk. And she's like, well, this security footage doesn't actually show him with a gun. It just shows him walking funny. And we assume the gun is in his leg, but we don't actually see the gun. So it might not be... So yeah, she's poking holes in the narrative as it was. But she's not allowed to make outright accusations with an alternative narrative. She's not allowed to say, again, here's what TPUSA paid to have Charlie Kirk assassinated. She can't say that because A, it didn't happen. Well, that's the priority. It would... She'd be sued. But I'm saying she doesn't need to because right now what people want to hear, what people are going to continue to tune into here, is not an alternate story. They just believe deep down in their heart of hearts, there is no truth. I think they want to be a part of something. Right. I think that I think... Right, but specifically the thing they want to be a part of is what they all genuinely believe is the narrative, whatever it is, is not right. Whatever you think is, it's something else. Whatever seems true, you don't know as much as you should. If you think you know, you have no idea because you need to tune in again next week in order to hear a little more of what you thought... Right. So gullible, you believed this and that. You believed it. But she's not going to come out and say, we can never know because then people would stop listening to her. Yes, yeah. So there's the promise that you're going to know, but the fact is you're never going to know. Well, you'll know a little bit more. Every time you listen to Candace, you know a little bit more, but never the full story. And that's because all you really know at the end of any episode is what you should question. Is her conjecture, right? It's just questions. What a doubt. There's another thing you can tell. Isn't this weird? What a woman cry like this. Would she have a meeting like this? We have footage of a staff meeting that Erica Kirk... What a widow laugh. Right. Never. There's issues laughing. I have as somebody who has seen death. Did I say that right? Death. Not death. The reactions of failing members are not always what you would expect. There's, I've seen laughter. And then I've seen that same person go to deep sadness and then back to trying to laugh. It's been, I've seen some odd things. I don't think it's odd. I think that's normal. I think that it's, you can't predict how a person is going to grieve based on the relationship they have with that person. And how they view death and all of these things. Right. I think you know that from personal experience. Yeah. And I do think Mike Imaquois' reaction was not what mine would have been. If I were standing next to somebody who just been shot. Mm-hmm. And it happened right in front of me. There was just not a level of shock that I would have expected from him. But that's complete conjecture as to what that means. Right. I also think that it's unusual for 30 out of six to not make it through the neck. It's just based on my limited knowledge of... I mean, depending on how far back you are. Yes. Yes. And it doesn't mean anything. It's not completely fabricated. It's not going to go... It's not going to decapitate somebody at any distance. Right. It's going to... At some point it's going to run out of steam because you know, laws of physics being as they are. At some point the gun stops making quite as much damage as it does at close range. And so, yeah, depending on a lot of different things, the angle and the distance is going to have an impact different than what somebody might recreate with a gelatin body for a YouTube video. It's... It's a fool's errand. I mean, there are a ton of people who believe the JFK assassination was this or that. There's people who believe in dreams. And it's been how long and it's still... People, they're not going to come out and be like, oh, all of you were right. You know, you were all right. We were lying. It's just... You didn't move on. Or it might have happened, you know, the way... The way that it happened. There's... Just assume that the accepted narrative is false. Is... Is exactly... They're doing the... They're doing exactly what they're accusing everybody else of doing. They're just... They're just by default accepting that the narrative is not true. It's like, well, you just have a bunch of gullible sheep that believe whatever you're told, right? But you disbelieve whatever you're told. Well, they don't help themselves is the problem. When, you know, the DOJ is like, we've got the Epstein files and they're like, well, there are no Epstein files. I don't know what you guys are talking about. And then they're forced to release millions of Epstein files. The CDC did this during COVID. It's like you're shooting yourself in the foot as far as credibility when you lie. I think you were closer to important truths when you were talking about your experience with real people in real life and studying them. And what do you know? How do people behave when faced death? You liked it when I said things that went along with what you already believe. I get it. It's fine. It depends on who they are. It depends on how close they were to the person who died. All of that is true. And I think what's happening is more and more people don't have those real life experiences with real people. They get all of their information on their phone. They think it makes them wiser and it makes them infinitely dumber. Infinitely dumber. The more time they spend. It makes them incredibly unproductive. I'll grant you that. I'll grant you that. It makes a fool. Here's how a widow is supposed to react when she loses her husband. It's like, how in the world is a widow supposed to react? How is a person supposed to react when they're in shock? I mean, imagine being on stage. And the guy that is a friend of yours who's talking gets killed while you're still... I mean, what's the appropriate response? And how can you even talk about an appropriate response when people are in panic mode when they're in shock? You're not thinking. You're just reacting. They're complaining because he got on his phone immediately dialed on his phone. He called Erica, I think. I think is what the report was. I don't know. I'm not super deep into it. Because that's what he was told. That was what he thought needed to happen was that the spouse need to be informed right away. Immediately. And if he's a guy who's on his phone all the time, which he would be, if he's an assistant, I mean, you're going to do your... You're going to do the default. And if your default is, I'm on the phone for him all the time. I call the people that he needs me to call all the time. I'm always checking flights. I'm always making sure that he's got a hotel room. I always am talking to the event coordinator and talking to the universities. And I'm talking to... I'm talking to his wife. You know, he would call Erica and give her updates on where he is and when he arrived and when they're going to leave. And stuff. So yeah, he gets... If he gets shot and the first thing that he does, because four other people surrounded him, including his security team, and we're dragging him off to the hospital, then calling somebody is a fine thing for somebody to do. And there's cameras everywhere now. And so we've got all of this video footage of things that are happening and everybody... Everybody thinks that they're capable and qualified to look at a video and know what a person was thinking when they did something on that video. They can perfectly read motivation. They can perfectly understand the context before that video and what happened after the video. You look at a 30 second clip and it's like, yep, I know exactly what's going on here with all of these people. Well, they take issue with you saying that too, because again, as soon as you say it that way, they're like, oh, I never said I knew exactly. I never said that. But then... Well, listen, was it was fishy? Well, this same thing happened with the assassination attempt of Trump. I heard people saying that, oh, well, Trump had himself shot. Or it was all fake. Oh, yeah, I heard that. It's like somebody died in the background, but... Yeah, that... It's all staged. Yeah. There were questions surrounding that as to why they left that vantage point unmanned and didn't listen to people saying, hey, there's a guy up there and all that. Whatever. Okay, as somebody again... I think it's a competence. Who talks to people all the daily and knows real human beings in real life. It's like, that doesn't seem fishy at all to me. I can easily imagine how many times we only hear about that one and we micro-analyze that one. We put that under a microscope and we look at that event because that's the event where Trump shot... Got shot. How many other events did he do where there were weird people wandering around and security was given a tip? There's a guy over there. He might be homeless. I don't know. He's just been wandering around and they ignored it. And nothing happened. How many times... You sound like you've been paid. How many times have you been in a giant arena and somebody called in a bomb threat and they decided it wasn't credible. So they didn't do anything and you never heard about it because it turns out it wasn't a big deal. How many times do people have threats on their lives in private messages? People, conservative commentators, must get them all the time because we get them sometimes and we're nobody. We're nobody. And so if you've in half of them are not even real accounts, half of them are probably bought accounts, spam accounts that just insult bots, you know. And so you can't take every single tip seriously until there comes a tip that it turns out you should have. But you didn't know until hindsight being 2020. And then everybody on the internet, so it's weird that they just didn't even take that tip that somebody tried to warm them and they just didn't even listen. It's like you have no idea. You have no idea what it's like to run an event with somebody on stage who people both love and hate and you have to make decisions every night about which things you're going to actually listen to and which you're not. And most of the time it works out. Most of the time you don't have the guy on stage get shot. Most of the time. Most of the time. Yeah. But there it is. I think people on the internet, these internet slutes, like you said, Luke, they want to be part of something. Unfortunately, they're not part of a real community and real family. So their instincts are all off. They do not have good discernment and judgment. And so then you give them somebody like Candace Owens who is for all, for all intents and purposes, their mother figure in this. She's conditioning them how you're supposed to respond to these things. And it's wrong. And teaching them wrong. She's giving them an appetite for endless conjecture and questioning. And in their heads, they genuinely believe they're getting wiser. Like they think they're getting something of substance from her. There is. And they're not. There's a, it's low stakes online because there's, there's very little accountability. There's virtually no accountability. You can say that dumbest thing. And, and you can go to the, go to my wall and you can look. Some of the people said some of the absolutely dumbest things that you can say. And there's no accountability. You can't, if they were sitting across the table now from me and they said that into this, into our family, we would have immediately laughed at them and, and pushed the antithesis at them and multiplied their absurdity to the point where even they would understand it. And, and it would have been, well, in, in our family, it wouldn't have been embarrassing. It would have been like we would have all immediately seen what was happening and we would have enjoyed it and then it would have become a call back for years to come. Right. But that's, that's how you handle that stuff in a, in a healthy family environment. People that say outrageously stupid things get called out by the other people in the family. Right. And then they are more careful the next time. That's where real growth happens. Yeah. And, but online you, if you mock somebody, if you come, if, if I respond online to the way I would respond to somebody sitting across the table, then I'm cruel and, and mean. Well, that's not very Christian and, and all of that sort of stuff. Worst your part of the cover up. I'm part of the cover up. I'm, I got paid to say that. You don't really say. But there's no accountability in that. That person can say, can spew whatever further nonsense they want to spew. And there's no way to, to bring them back in line. And ultimately, and then when they do have, I think it's a twinge of consciousness, they delete their comment. Well, yeah. I think it's human nature to defer to those we think have done more research than us. And so I'll tell you a lot of times that person is not, Jeremy boring said people are more likely to trust the person who revealed that they were lied to. So if you can accurately convince another person, this person lied to you one time on this little thing. Here's this little issue over here. They didn't tell the whole truth. Therefore, see you were doomed. That person in their confusion and disappointment and frustration with having been duped once will immediately turn to the person who revealed. That to them and trust everything that they said, instead of, instead of realizing, oh, my judgment's kind of bad. I maybe shouldn't just throw myself head long into the can to someone's podcast. So I do me too. She may be doing the same thing that the government is supposedly doing to me. Why do I trust her more than I trust them, you know, whoever they are. So we shouldn't trust people. Well, we shouldn't blindly trust anybody. But that includes, includes me. We should trust God. Ah, ah, ah, Bridger's pushing buttons. Bridger's, Bridger's, Bridger's, he's shut our podcast off. Bridger! He's like this thing was supposed to be over three minutes ago. Yeah, he's like, it's time to end. Did you escape from Kami? Yeah, well, we have a real, never really issue. I don't think it's as big an issue as some of the people on the right want us to think. I don't think, I really don't think that the average American is divided from the rest of average Americans. I think that we are all. You think there's a big pocket of normies? I do think there's a substantial number of normies out there. But we are. That is an insult. But we're depending on which well group you're in. We're trying to be told we're trying to be told narrative believers are the normies. I'm happy to wear that label. I'm okay with being called the normies. Please consider me a normie. Thank you. I just don't think that we are as fractured as as some people want us to believe. I mean, we've gotten all of these categories now and everybody, once you once you go into a category, then you're the people want us to believe that each of these categories is radically different from each other. And I just don't think they are. I think that we're. Well, there's a common. I'm pleasantly surprised by how many people had this gut level, visceral reaction against the just the thumb nail of the Erica Kirk documentary series that kids was putting out. She's not too bright doing that. I mean, yes, you're going to drum up discussion and comments and some intrigue about it when you paint such a dark scary picture of Erica is if she's some. I don't agree that she's not right. She's not very bright. I'm just saying that as far as. For the for people like us, that is not convincing. She's not talking to us. Yeah, we're not her audience, but I think that she is catching in on rage. For a slander. Yes. And I think she knows it. And I don't think she cares. According to people who know her. And again, we listen to a Prager U interview between Jeremy. You can't say I'm just asking questions and following the evidence. If you're also using rage bait. You can. And she does. And she's doing it successfully. And so that the fact is that she's the number one podcaster. At least she was in the world for a reason. And to hear Jeremy, who once was her boss, he hired her. Right. She is more talented than any other individual he has ever met. And she knows exactly what she's doing. And she wants to be popular more than anything else. And she will do whatever it takes to get there. That's what his that's what his testimony is on the whole. And leave a wake of bodies behind her. She's there. Yep. That's not as important as popularity is. She's thinking if you believe Jeremy boring. You know, so you got to decide who do you believe? I don't know. Do you think no soul start? I'm going to play this outro because my son is not having a bad night. I got to go home. Luke, have you got anything else you want to? No. Can you just just we always put you on the spot? So I was going to do a reveal for if you are suspicious that. Peaches is not her real name. Oh. You might. You might be right. So this is a tidbit. You're trying to give people a little bit of information so they trust you. I'm just saying we're not all who we say we are. You've been lied to. Thanks for visiting the comedian's house. If you want to spend more time with our family, you can follow John Braanian on YouTube and Facebook. Also, email nextdoor at johnbraanian.com with your comments and questions. We'll see you next time. See you next time.